• CR/NCR,  rotman

    this question won’t be relevant for much longer so READ IT NOW

    Hello aska!
    I have several questions regarding the CR/NCR option since this is the very time I plan to use it…
    1. For Rotman Commerce Students, how many FCES are we allowed to use for CR/NCR option? And do we need to pass 50% or 60% in order to get a credit?2. I am doing finance specialist and we have up to 5 ECO electives, can I make any one of them to be CR/NCR option? I know that if I pass it, I will get a credit with no marks. But without a mark on ECO elective, is it going to affect my graduation?
    I really appreciate your help!

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    hey there,

    I’M JUST GONNA ANSWER THESE REALLY FAST BECAUSE TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE, MY FRIEND. NO TIME FOR JOKING AROUND.

    1) you can use CR/NCR for 1.0 FCEs, and the passing mark would be 60%.

    2) “the specific ECO requirements listed in the non-RSM portion of the PROGRAM REQUIREMENTS cannot be CR/NCR – only ECO courses or non-ECO courses being used to bring the total credits up to 10.0 can be CR/NCR.” so i’m gonna say…yes? again, if they’re just electives and not listed as program requirements, then that’s okay. it might be a good idea to call rotman and double-check.

    cheers (and remember the deadline to designate F-section courses credit/no-credit is TODAY AHHH),

    aska

  • CR/NCR

    to credit or not to credit?

    Hey! I am wondering – if I set a course to be NCR, is it still eligible to be a prerequisite of the other in the same category?

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    hey there,

    it depends. if the course that your course is?a prereq for lists on the course calendar that you just need to have completed the course, and you?make it CR/NCR, and then you get the credit, you should be okay.

    however, if it says something like ‘at least a 65% in EXAMPLE101,’ then you do NOT want to make that course credit/no-credit, because, even if you do really well and get the credit, the course you want to take next will have no way of telling that you got at least a 65% on it.

    if you’re looking at the course calendar and you’re still not sure, i would call the department that administers the course to double-check.

    xoxo,

    aska

    P.S. also, today is the last day to make an F-section course CR/NCR! so hurry on over to your registrar’s office!

  • CR/NCR

    CRedit

    If I used the CR/NCR option for a course and got CR, can I take courses that have that course as a prerequisite?

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    hey there,

    if the prerequisite is that you have the credit (so, it just says ‘prerequisites: that course’ on the course calendar), then yeah, you can.

    however, if it requires a specific mark (e.g. ‘prerquisite: minimum of 65% in that course’), then no, because your transcript doesn’t know WHAT you got in that course, just that you got the?credit.

    ttfn,

    aska

  • CR/NCR

    CR/NCR, what are what are what are (you)?

    Hello,
    I was just hoping you could confirm something for me. I selected the Credit/No Credit option for one of my courses, and I just want to make sure that by doing so it will not mess up the amount of credits I need in order to graduate. So if I have five credits for the year, selecting the CR/NCR option will not bring that down to four, right?
    Thanks in advance.

    ?????????

    hey there,

    only if you fail 😉 basically, it’ll count towards your degree, but not your program (usually) or GPA. so yeah, it’ll still register as a credit that you’ve acquired this year.

    aska

    P.S. good on you for double-checking seriously that is some proactive work u r a better person than i could ever be. bless.

  • course overload,  CR/NCR,  graduation

    a smorgasbord of graduation-related anxieties

    Hey aska,

    First off, I just want to say that you’re awesome!

    Secondly, I want to ask about graduating. (I know by the time you see this, 2nd sem will probably have started but I would like your opinion anyway). I’m in fourth year and I had intended to graduate in June but that now seems highly unlikely if not impossible. I started the fall sem with 5 classes and ended with 2 and a late withdrawal. I have been going through depression, family issues, and an overall lack of motivation for school. In the winter sem, I’m scheduled to take 6 classes, which I fear will drive me insane but I want to get as many credits as I can given I flopped the fall sem and tuition is so darn expensive. If I keep and pass those 6 classes, I will have 19.5 credits (so close!). Now, my question is what are my chances of getting a course overload so that I could still graduate in June? I know 7 classes is crazy, but I don’t want to pay more tuition in summer school. Or should I just stick with what I have and take a half credit in summer to graduate in November?

    Given that most of my classes in the winter sem will be electives, should I take advantage of the credit no credit option and use them all? (that would leave me with only 3 courses in which I would get a mark). Are CNC a “bad” sign or negatively looked upon by potential professional or masters programs? Although, I have no current intention of applying to any future program, I want to keep my options open and not screw myself over. Especially since I’m in my last year, how would this be taken? Keep in mind that I already have a .5 CNC from 3rd yr, a LWD from 1st yr, and a recent .5 LWD this past sem. How will schools look at that LWD I got in 4th year? Did I forever ruin any chances to be accepted in a masters program, for example?

    P.S sorry for the long msg and thanks

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    hey there,

    thanks! it’s super cool that you think i’m awesome because i find validation through other people instead of having a healthy sense of self-esteem. it’s people like you who help me function, man. you should feel proud. (no but seriously, i’m glad i’ve been in any way amusing/helpful to you. srs).

    alright, on to the meat.

    this is just my honest opinion, but 7 courses is really a lot. i’d say you have a valid reason for wanting them, so you might be granted course overload. by the way, you have to go through the registrar’s office to do that, so if you have reasonably good grades and you explain about wanting to graduate in June, and if the courses you want to take aren’t all incredibly demanding, there’s a definite possibility you could be granted an overload.

    buuuuuut i wouldn’t advise it, especially in your last year. i understand that the financial aspect of it isn’t a small thing, but if you’re even contemplating the idea of some kind of graduate school in the future, you don’t want to screw yourself over especially in fourth year, which is in some cases the only year grad schools look at.

    personally, i’d take the last credit over the summer. if you can, maybe try to find a summer job to alleviate that cost. trust me, i completely empathize with how hella expensive it is to pay for your education, but i think it’ll pay off in the long run.

    as for CR/NCRs, they’re only really a problem if they’re actually requirements for a graduate or professional school. since all of the courses you want to use CR/NCR on are electives, it shouldn’t prove to be too big of an issue. in fact, it might even be helpful if you think that using CR/NCR will give you a higher overall GPA (something grad/professional schools also look at). and if you’re gonna be taking 6 or even 7 courses i understand that making 1.5 CR/NCR would definitely be helpful.

    HOWEVER i have to add the mandatory cautionary that credit/no-credit isn’t a strategy, it’s a helping hand. if you think you’ll do really well in your electives and they’ll boost your GPA, then you might as well take them properly. who knows, down the line those marks might come in handy for a job application or something, and it’s a real hassle to get your mark released after you’ve made it credit/no-credit already (trust me, i work in a uoft office – people have to jump through flaming hoops backwards to get CR/NCR marks post-exams). also, if you use CR/NCR on three courses all in one year, it might look a bit suspicious to a grad/profession school, though i’d suggest you talk to any grad schools you might be interested in to make absolutely sure.

    as for the LWDs, they’re not great, and they definitely would affect something like a grad school application, but i wouldn’t say that they at all ruin your chances. obviously it depends on your overall GPA and the specific school in question, but if you’ve done well in the grad program’s prerequisites and you have a competitive average, i think you would still have a chance. especially since one of your LWDs was in first year, which is pretty much irrelevant for almost all grad/professional schools.

    also, lots of grad schools have a written application component where you can make a personal statement. that gives you a third, non-marks based chance to prove yourself as a worthy candidate. finally, most grad schools allow you to write them a letter explaining why stuff like LWDs have happened, if there’s a specific reason (don’t do that as part of your personal statement tho that’s a big no-no).

    i hope that’s been somewhat useful to you! best of luck, man, hope it goes smashingly, and congrats on graduating. you lucky butt. grr.

    aska

  • CR/NCR,  grad school

    the mysterious world of credit no-credit

    Hello,

    This is a question that should be common, but I can’t seem to find any information online. What are the consequences, other than not receiving the credit, of getting the NCR designation? I understand that it will not affect my GPA, but will it show up on my transcript? I am not thinking of applying for grad schools at the moment, but would it lower my chances of being accepted? Finally, would a NCR designation hurt my chances of receiving scholarships or getting other honors?
    Thank you very much.

    Cheers

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    hey there,

    sorry you can’t find any info online – if it makes you feel any better, i think that not being able to find stuff online is one of the thing that most strongly unites uoft students. just know that when you’re swearing and crying at xxxx.utoronto.ca at 1am on a monday, you are part of something GREATER than YOURSELF.

    hopefully though i’ll be able to help you out just a lil’ bit.

    so first: the credit does show up on your transcript, but it just indicates pass or no-pass. so anyone looking at a CR/NCR course designation will KNOW if you’ve gotten the credit.

    numero duo: credit/no-credit is specific to uoft and a fairly new thing anyway, so there’s no like universal OPINION CAPITAL-O that grad schools have about it. if the credit is not a requirement for grad school, it shouldn’t be too much of an issue, especially if it’s just one random credit. of course not passing a class is always an issue, but if all your other classes are great, i think they’d be inclined to put less of a focus on it.

    numero trois le francais holla: scholarships and awards are highly subjective. there are some truly bizarre awards out there with all kinds of criteria, but if you mean a scholarship based on academic merit from uoft, i’d say that it might, but since it doesn’t affect GPA, it’s still worth it to apply.

    hope that helps to clear up your confuzzlement!

    aska

  • CR/NCR,  OSAP,  probation

    osap being a lil’ butt

    I’m in my fourth year of university at UofT. I’ve always been in good academic standing?with my GPA and CGPA and never worried about being put on academic probation since I?obtain low 80’s. However, today I received a Notice of Academic Probation in the mail.

    I need a 0.5 credit within my program to graduate, so I decided to take electives and?bump myself up to full time studies for the winter/fall semester under OSAP. I wasn’t?aware of the Credit/No credit option until October this year, and decided to opt two of?my three courses this semester since I didn’t want the final grades of elective courses?to impact my CGPA for grade school. I was under the impression that it wouldn’t impact my?funding or academic progress since I will still obtain the credits for the courses in?which I’m doing fairly well.

    Why am I on Academic probation and what steps am I suppose to take in order to rectify?this situation? The last thing I want is this to affect my transcript. The only?conclusion I can come up with is that the Credit/No Credit option isn’t sanctioned by?OSAP and it looks as though I’m takin less than 60% of full time study credits. Is there?way to fix this?

    Thank you for your time,
    A concerned potential graduate.

    ?????????

    hey there,

    the credit/non-credit option should not affect your full-time status. it’s not something OSAP considers, and it’s really hard for them to track it anyway, since students have such a long time they can switch between making something credit or non-credit.

    the only thing i can think of is that you’ve been put on academic probation for some other reason, and it’s just taken OSAP a while to notify you about it, so it seems like it’s because of something that’s happening now when it’s actually not. OSAP often takes a really long time to correspond with students (sluggish little buggers), so this might have to do with something that happened a while back.

    another option is simply that OSAP made a mistake. since your CGPA is in the low-80s, this is a pretty real option, but whether they messed up on something or you did, the only way to pinpoint your problem is to run not walk to your registrar’s office. they should be able to help you sort out your issue.

    hope it all works out,

    aska

  • CR/NCR,  dropping courses,  Transferring

    traitor.

    Hi aska!

    I’m a student at UTM planning on transferring to a different university next year. I applied and my transcripts have been sent and everything! But?there’s this one course (that one course ugh) that will bring my GPA down. I selected the credit/no credit option for that course, but not before the?transcript was already transmitted to the university I applied to. Would they even see the credit/no credit option on the transcript? Or would they?see my grade in the course regardless?

    Also how bad would it look on my transcript if I were to drop that course now….

    Cheers,
    I want to leave.

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    hey there,

    firstly, I am INCREDIBLY INSULTED that you’re transferring. How could you transfer. How. Could you. I thought we had something special. The other school’s thinner than me, isn’t it? ISN’T IT?

    Ahem. It’s fine. No, don’t worry. I’ll be fine.

    As to your (traitorous) dilemma, basically, if you’ve sent in a transcript in september or october, all your courses are going to show up as ‘in progress’ to the school you’re applying to. So whether you selected credit/no credit before or after sending it, it’ll look the same to the other school. If this is the only transcript they require, then it really doesn’t matter how the course turns out.

    However, if you have to send another transcript once the term is over, then they will see that you made it credit/no-credit, and they will see if you’ve dropped the course. Generally, unless that course is a requirement for you to transfer, dropping it is probably going to be a better idea than having a bad mark show up on your transcript. It really depends on your situation though, so I’d suggest talking to the UTM registrar’s office or maybe the admissions office at your new school about your situation.

    good luck you uoft-betraying swine. I hope the other school is good enough for you sheesh.

    aska

  • CR/NCR,  rotman,  writing

    cr for effort!

    Hi,

    I took RLG204 last year and applied for Credit/No Credit. I ended up passing the course and receiving a ‘CR.’ I was wondering if this counted towards the 2.0 writing credit that commerce students need to fulfill graduation requirements, or if it just counted as a humanities credit?

    Much thanks!

    [SARAH]

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    Hey Sarah,

    For the life of me, I could NOT find anything online about a Rotman writing requirement, so I delved into the long forgotten calendars of yesteryears and found something about a writing requirement from back in 2006-07! I wonder if that was the last year of it…

    If you enrolled in the program back then, it DOES say that RLG courses count sooo I guess RLG204 suffices.

    BUT from my understanding, the writing requirement is a program requirement…

    Which is where things get tricky because as much as I’d hate to be the bearer of bad news, I’ve got to tell you that the golden rule for CR/NCR is that whatever course you make CR/NCR cannot be a program requirement.

    Now since this is a weird situation where Rotman just wants to give you an A for effort as opposed to look for a 99 from you, I recommend talking to whoever it is that’ll eventually be assessing your program requirements and asking if they’d be willing to take the CR/NCR course.

    Cheers!

    aska

  • CR/NCR

    grade, grade, go away

    Hello

    I just got my grade of the summer course I was taking. It is very disappointing to say the least. And I know it is too late to apply for a CR/NCR. But can I maybe convince the office of registrar to consider? I was forced to take this course due to my program requirements. I’m so stumped! Any advice?

    ?????????

    Hey hey

    If your reason is just that your grade is “disappointing,” then talking to your registrar isn’t going to do anything. Sadly, this is just something you need to accept lingering on your transcript.

    But if this course was a program requirement… well, then you actually CAN’T make it CR/NCR.

    The rule of thumb with CR/NCR is actually that if it’s a program requirement, you absolutely cannot make it CR/NCR.

    Sorry to break the bad news bro!

    aska

  • courses,  CR/NCR

    four for you, nameless student!

    Hi,

    I took 4.0 FCEs during the 2012-2013 year (my first year) & by the end of?this summer, I’ll have earned an additional 1.0 FCE. My current “plan” is?to keep up this course load pace for the rest of my time at U of T, because?I’m concerned that I wouldn’t be able to keep up with the recommended 5.0?FCE course load, as every year only gets more challenging.

    I was wondering if this type of course load is a common choice for?students, because I am concerned about completing my degree requirements a?summer after I was hoping to graduate, in 2016. I know everyone is?different, has their own pace, etc., etc., but most people I know are?taking those 5.0 FCEs, so I guess I’m looking for some kind of reassurance??(the truth is also appreciated)

    Also, do you have any recommendations for courses with lighter workloads,?that I could possibly take as CR/NCR during the fall/winter semesters? I?know a lighter workload is more than a big-ask, but it would be great to?achieve that June graduation date.

    Thanks so much for your help!

    ?????????

    Hey hey

    Rest assured, this is a common course load. While the majority of students like to live on the edge and play with 5.0 FCE, a good chunk of them end up with LWDs or just drop things.

    So don’t worry — 4.0 during the year + 1.0 in the summer is fine if you’re okay with it.

    But yes, that one summer where you can’t finish 1.0.

    What to do, what to do…

    Well, I say you test the waters! Try taking five courses this coming semester and see how you manage with it. Contrary to popular belief, it’s actually quite simple providing you manage your time and cut back on the usual shenanigans.

    You can take a look at our post on bird courses, but try not to fill up on those.

    Actually, if you’ve already chosen your programs for the future, you’ll find that plenty of courses in that field can be treated as “bird courses” just because they interest you!

    And try not to get too into that CR/NCR option. It doesn’t work for courses that are program requirements, so they’re really meant for students who want to try new things without totally botching up their cGPA provided said “new thing” doesn’t work well with them. So if a math specialist wants to take world religions and is scared he won’t do well, the CR/NCR kicks in.

    tl;dr = Just try a semester of five courses. If you have trouble with them, you can drop one (before the last date to do so). I mean you’re on program fees anyway, so it’s not like you actually lose anything past textbook fees or whatnot. 😉

    Cheers!

    aska

  • CR/NCR,  probation

    does ncr count because there’s no credit

    Hi there,

    So I am in first year, and my cumulative GPA is 1.35 – I received 3 credits, and I did Cr/Ncr for one of my other courses which I received no credit as I failed it.. my question is will I be put on probation? I am freaking out right now.. I know for a fact I will be put on probation but Im just hoping that maybe just maybe because I only 3 credits, I won’t be put on probation.. and if I am put on it, what steps do I need to take in order to get myself out of it? Thank you so much for your help!

    ?????????

    Hey hey,

    Sooooooo I hate to be the bearer of bad news buuuuut you’re kind of sort of on probation. Your ROSI account probably doesn’t say so yet, but when the GPAs get added up and become ~*~official~*~ your standing will say “Probation.”

    Sorry bro!

    See, while you didn’t receive a credit for that one course you failed, you DID still see it through and got some sort of “grade” in it. Meaning you are designated some kind of standing. Mean probation. 🙁

    BUT, that’s okay! It’s not the end of the world, so keep your chin up. All this means is that you need to step up your game. Now students on probation are cautioned against summer classes (or, at least, taking too many of them), so if you’re one of those crazies that dislike the beach and Thirsty Thursday and you’re in 2.0 FCE for the summer session, best… like not.

    Now to get OFF of probation, you need to get a CGPA of at least 1.50 or higher in your next session (so like next year). If your CGPA is less than 1.50 and your annual GPA is 1.70 or higher, then you stay on probation. BUT, if your CGPA is less than 1.50 and your annual GPA is less than 1.70, then you’ll be put on suspension.There’s this totally awesome flowchart that explains all of this stuff and that I will probably be referencing like 2374595867 times in the next month, so take a look at that. Visuals are always super fun for explaining things! 😀

    xoxo,

    aska

  • CR/NCR

    but do we really really need ethics?

    Hello Aska

    I have taken the course PHL271 this term – this is a required course for?the Math Major POST. I am not enrolled in that POST, however, as I am?waiting to see how I do in MAT137? at the end of this term. But at the same?time I am not doing particularly well in the phil course so I want to?request it to be evaluated as CR/NCR. If I do actually decide to do a math?post in the future, then can I have the CR/NCR rating for the course?somehow expunged [if I pass of course!] or do I have to do it all over?again [if that’s even possible]?

    Thanks

    An Inquiring Mind

    ?????????

    Hey Inquiring Mind,

    Unfortunately, UofT is pretty strict when it comes to the CR/NCR business. Look at their page — see all the bolds and the boxes? They’re there to make sure you know what you’re getting into. Yes, it is possible to undo the CR/NCR, but don’t bank on that because 99.9% of the time the Faculty will pretty much deny you and then laugh at your plight.

    But if you do end up just getting a CR in the course or take the easy route and drop it, you can actually still pursue a math major! If you check the program requirements, there are actually quite a few PHL courses you can choose from to fulfill that ethics aspect of things so at least you’ve got that.

    Cheers!

    aska