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Feb02

twelve angry credits

I know that a double major should have 12 distinct credits, but is there any similar rule for combining a major and minor? For example, I’m currently doing a biochem major (& something else) and wanted to also add a biology minor. I’ve taken most of the courses in the biology minor for my biochem major already. Is this allowed?

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hey there,

well, one major and one minor is not one of the standard?combinations of subject POSts, so no, there is no similar rule for that particular combo. the basic rule of thumb is that the 12.0 distinct credits rule applies to either two majors, or a major and two minors.

which means that if the ‘something else’ you’re doing is another major, and then you’re adding a minor on top of two majors, you’ll be in the same situation as this person. in that case, the 12.0 distinct credits rule will apply to your two majors, but not to your minor. so no worries!

cheers,

aska

Jan26

gotta make those credits DISTINCT

Hi Aska,

I am currently enrolled in a double major in? immunology and human biology: health and disease, and a minor in psychology. Does the 12 distinct credit rule still apply to a combination of a 2 majors and 1 minor? If so, is it calculated in the same way (make sure only 8 credits are able to count for?more than subject post)? Would a course be able to overlap for all 3 of the subject post? For example, BIO130 satisfies a requirement in both?majors and the minor. Would BIO130 count as 0.5 out of the 8 possible?overlapping courses?

Thanks for the help.

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hey there,

since you’re doing a kind of FUNKY combination of subject POSts that is out of the three standard ones required by the university (i.e. 1 specialist, 2 majors, or 1 major and 2 minors), the 12.0 distinct credits rule only kind of applies to you. and by that i mean: it applies to your two majors, but not to your minor.

as to how it’s calculated – that’s kinda confusing and tends to make students feel very panicky and worried, so i’ll try to break it down for you nice and simple.

if you’ve got two majors, what you need to do is make sure that you take 12.0 FCEs throughout your entire degree that only count for ONE MAJOR. all the rest can overlap. again: 12.0 of the credits you take have to count towards the requirements for one of your majors, but NOT?the other.

for example, if BIO130 counts towards BOTH your majors, then it is not a distinct credit, but an overlapping credit.

this is something that degree explorer tracks, by the way, so if you’re still feeling BEFUDDLED over all of this, feel free to log onto there and see how you’re doing. also, you can make an appointment with your registrar’s office to discuss this VERY THING, as part of an appointment called a ‘grad check.’

cheers,

aska

Jul30

12 is the magic number

I’m planning on majoring in economics and minoring in math and statistics but that only comes up to 11.5 distinct courses… If I were to take an extra 300+ course in statistics or economics (which is not required) would it still count as a distinct course.

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hey there,

oh god, this rule again.

the 12.0 distinct rule states that you need to complete 12.0 FCE’s that are required in ONLY ONE of your subject POSts. if you take a course that does not satisfy any requirement for any of your POSts, then it is not a distinct credit. it’s just a random elective.

however, if that course can be used to satisfy either the requirements for a statistics OR economics minor – just one, not the other – or it is listed as an option for both POSts, then it DOES count as a distinct credit. even if it is designated “extra” (i’m not sure if that’s what you meant by “extra 300+” course, but just in case you did).

as always, since this is the most FINICKY and NEFARIOUS darned rule at this school, feel free to 1) track your progress on degree explorer 2) use that worksheet i linked to because it is actually very useful and 3) make an appointment with your college registrar in order to make sure that you’re? the requirements.

cheers,

aska

Jul21

filling some program req’s

Hello

Who makes the choices as to which courses get used to fulfill the program requirements. I do not want one course to be used for both programs as that will go over my maximum overlapping limit but one degree explorer it shows this. Do I need to contact the program admin?

thanks

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hey there,

ultimately, the department that administers the program is the one that gives you the OK when you want to graduate, so yeah, they’re the people you’ll want to speak to first.

however, if you’re having trouble determining whether you’re following the 12.0 distinct credits rule, then that’s the domain of your college registrar.

sooo, department first, then the registrar. then out for ice cream, ’cause that stuff’s stressful.

best,

aska

Jul16

12.0 distinct credits will ruin me

Does the 12.0 different fce have to be from outside the major or can I take extra credits from the major to have 12.0 different btw the programs as long as they don’t overlap?

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hey there,

that question is making my head spin and i’m not really sure what you’re asking, SO i’m just gonna explain the rule as clearly as i can.

if you’re still confused, just keep asking me until you get it. or go to your registrar’s office, ‘cuz eventually i’ll just get bored and go suntanning for the day.

if you are taking two majors, OR one major and two minors, then 12.0 credits out of the 20.0+ you take as part of your degree will have to be ‘distinct,’ i.e. count as a requirement for only one POSt. so if a credit is a requirement for one of your POSts, but none of your other ones, it’is a distinct credit. and how many of those do you need? that’s right. 12.0.

so the 12.0 are not “in the major” or “outside the major” or whatever. they’re just credits that are only requirements for a single subject POSt. the rest of the credits you take during your degree can overlap for one, two, or all of of POSts, or count for none at all. capice?

cool. now let’s split and go to the pool.

cheers,

aska

Jul15

20+ credits stand before me, but only 12 can be distinct

I am doing a major and 2 minors which means i can overlap 3 FCE’s, that can go towards my 12.0 different FCE courses. By the end of this year, I will have the 12.0 done counting the 3 FCE overlapping so does it matter if I overlap more courses among the programs to complete the 6 min 3/4 level?

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hey there,

the 12.0 distinct credits rule is one of the trickiest to follow at this university, but as long as you complete 12.0 FCEs during your degree that apply to only one subject POSt each, you’re safe. if you’re unsure about whether you’re meeting this requirement, Degree Explorer does a pretty good job of tracking it for you.

if you’re not averse to meeting with real human people to discuss this, i’d also recommend going to the registrar’s office to make sure everything is fine and dandy. they’re not that scary. promise.

cheers,

aska

Apr08

aska learns how to succinctly explain the 12 distinct credits rule (whoo!)

whats the rule on courses that qualify for both your majors? do they count for both?

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hey there,

the rule is called the ‘12 distinct credits‘ rule. a quick (but not foolproof!) way of calculating the number of credits that you can share between majors is to add together the number of credits that both majors require, and then subtract 12.0: the remainder is the number of credits which can be applied to both majors.

however, it can be pretty tricky to keep track of this yourself, so feel free to check with your registrar’s office to make sure you’re following this rule properly. degree explorer also does a good job of monitoring it as well.

cheers,

aska

Jan14

you’ve got the beeeeest of both worlds, mix it all together and…

Hi,

I’m a second year student majoring in Bioethics and 2 minors in Biology and Physiology. I know that Bioethics is a arts program, while my minor’s are in science. I was wondering if I would graduate with a B.A, or BSc, or if I had the choice to choose? I’m also kind of confused about the 12.0 different courses rule, how does that apply to my minors since there is quite a bit of overlap between them.

Thanks in advance!

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hey there,

i’d recommend reading this post to understand the 12.0 distinct credits rule. basically, 8.0 of your credits in your degree can overlap – so between your minors and major, there can only be an overlap of 8.0, i.e. 12.0 credits must each qualify as a requirement for only one of your programs (but that post explains it better than i do so def read that). as for your degree, you would get to choose, which is kind of a super awesome thing that not a lot of people get to do. so CHOOSE WISELY (or just flip a coin lol that’ll work too).

best,

aska

Sep05

a surplus of subject posts

Hi,

I was just wondering if you can claim a specialist, major and minor? Also, what is the rule about overlapping courses for the specialist and major, as in, what percentage of courses must be different?

Thanks!

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Hey hey

You can certainly claim a specialist, a major, and a minor — that is, of course, assuming you have a taste for masochism.

That being said, the rule is no different from when you have a double major going on or a major and two minors. For the entirety of your degree, you need to have 12.0 distinct credits.

Or if we have to work in percentages, 40% may overlap.

Cheers!

aska

Jul24

versatility at its finest

Hello!

I’m on the precipice of my fourth year (of five) at U of T. And now, during course selections, I want to change my POST. Specifically, I want to trade my general anthropology major, my diaspora and transnational studies minor and my biology minor, for a double major in biological anthropology and socio-cultural anthropology. I believe I can do this and still respect the 12.0 distinct course rule.

Can I hold two majors offered by the same department? And, will I be able to continue enrolling in classes normally if I delete my current POST in order to make these changes?

Thanks for your time

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Hey hey

“Precipice” sounds like an awkward word choice right there. Why not “cusp”? Or “brink”? Something more “edge”-esque?

Anyhow, yes, yes you can enrol in those two majors together.

I’m going to be honest with you, my first reaction was “Lol no.” I asked another person who said “Lol no but maybe double check with anthro.” Then I emailed anthro — be tea dubs, the anthro undergraduate administrator is such a sweet woman! — and well… apparently you can certainly do a double major in anthro and anthro!

Naturally, of course, heed the 12.0 distinct credits rule, and remember that you can’t have more than 15.0 credit with the same three letter code.

But your ability to function on ROSI (e.g. enrolling in new courses if they suit your fancy) is based on you being in a proper subject POSt combo, so if you suddenly drop the three you have and linger in a state of “requested” for the other two majors, that’ll be a problem.

So for now, stick with the POSts you have and request the two majors — there’s no limit to what you can request. And then when you get invited to the new majors in September, THEN you delete the old ones.

Make sense?

Cheers!

aska

Jul22

double the major brings double the trouble

So I’m going into first year this fall, and I’m planning to do a double major in physiology and nutritional sciences at UTSG. I was wondering how double majors works because I am so lost in every aspect of it. Do I have to have 12 distinct credits (?) between the programs and if I do, what does that mean? Will I have to take summer classes to complete the double major? How many courses can be overlapped between the two?
Sorry for the questions but I’m so very confused. Thanks!

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Hey hey

The rule of having 12.0 distinct credits seems to be weirdly confusing to everyone andI genuinely don’t understand why. I personally find that the name is enough to make things clear, but given everyone’s trouble, I demand we get a new name for that rule!

My ideas:

  • 12.0 different credits
  • 12.0 credits that are not like the others ones
  • 12.0 credits that are not the same
  • 12.0 credits that have their own distinct course code
  • 12.0 differing credits

Anyhow, long story short, it’s as simple as it sounds.

In your degree of 20.0 credits, 12.0 of them need to be distinct. As in among your two majors or whatever program combo you end up with, you can only have 8.0 overlapping. So for the student who does a double major in psychology and cognitive science, you can have a max of 8.0 overlapping credits.

Make sense?

But no, summer school won’t be necessary for you to complete this. Majors are typically around 8.0 FCE each so they’re definitely doable if you just do a regular course load each year.

Cheers!

aska

Jan14

Cheating on an entire minor

Hi!
I have a question about my subject POSts. I am right now, according to ROSI, in a Physics major, math minor, and psych minor. I noticed that the requirements for a math minor can be, aside from one or two half-courses, completely satisfied by the requirements of a physics major. Is that okay?? I feel like I’m cheating or something by listing a math minor as one of my POSts.
Am I allowed to do both?
Thanks,
Lauren

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Lauren (LC?)

It’s one of those situations that I get told are ‘different for each student’ blah blah blah. I know, Lame with a capital ‘L’. I’m going to have to go in true Aska style and send you to another, yet wonderful resource: an academic advisor. Give them a shout and they can look at your specifics and tell you how you fit in with U of T law (or policies)

Cheers,
Aska

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