grad school,  non degree

approaching profs doesn’t get easier with age

Hi Aska,

I recently graduated from St. George with a BA, but I wasn’t really sure at the time where I wanted to go from there. After giving it some thought, I’ve decided that I’d like to try for an MA and apply to grad schools for the 2016/2017 school year. My biggest concern, however, is not having the academic references for my applications; I’ve always been a shy person and thus haven’t really connected with my profs in as meaningful a way as other, more outgoing students. I don’t want this to be a hindrance, however, so I’m seriously considering registering for a few more courses as a non-degree student so that I can build more contacts and thus have the requisite number of referees when I’m prepping my applications. I’d also like to take courses outside of my usual comfort zone in order to have the breadth of knowledge that grad schools like to see, so it’s not all about the profs.

I’m wondering how the non-degree enrollment process works, which is why writing and seeking your sagely wisdom. If I were able to get into a 400-level seminar come mid-August, would the prerequisites that I accumulated from my BA carry over so that I wouldn’t have to worry about being removed? Will I be able to take whatever courses I’d like from the department of my old major, provided there is space in them? Or do I have to start from the drawing board and abide by the same prerequisites that first-year students are faced with?

Also, how many credits are non-degree students allowed to take in a given year? Full-time degree students take five, but is this different for non-degrees? I personally don’t know how many courses I want to take, as I have to wait and see which ones will be available in August, so I’d like to
know whether any limitations exist beforehand so I can conduct my planning accordingly.

P.S. Do you have any tips about building up relationships with profs so that they could serve as potential grad school referees? I’ve only ever gone out of my way to do this for one prof because that prof taught material that I really loved, and so it was easy for me to engage with them about it. Obviously, though, I’m going to have to get to know profs whose interests don’t necessarily align with mine if I want to have a shot at grad school, so it’d be super helpful to have some advice as to how I could go about doing that successfully. I’m determined not to let my social inhibitions get in the way of my goals, so I’m going to try very hard to make my return to the classroom worth it this time around.

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hey there,

whoo, that’s a bit of reading right there. keeping my mind sharp for September, huh? i love it.

coming back as a non-degree student is super easy. if you’ve been away for less than a year, you can just sign up for courses on August 14th, make the minimum payment to register, and you’re all done! well, except attending the classes. and passing them. all that fun stuff.

if you’ve been away for at least a year, you would have to go to your college registrar’s office, fill out a form and pay $25 to get your account reactivated. then you could sign up for courses, make the minimum payment, attend classes, etc.

if you already took prerequisite courses for the courses you’re interested in, you won’t have to take them again. all courses you take at uoft work the same way, regardless of whether you’re a degree student. they show up on your transcript, even if you’re non-degree. they affect your GPA, can count towards program requirements, all that stuff. you can also take as many credits as you like in a year.

now, about graduate school: you DO NOT need to be best buds with professors to ask for an academic reference.

bffls

there is no need to feel this way about a prof. you’re asking for a letter, not a diamond ring

stay away from me

in fact, it’s okay if you feel this way about the prof, as long as you are nice and you did well in their course

in fact, if you’re looking to do non-degree just to get closer with a professor or two, you may want to reconsider and save yourself a bit of money.

in fact, profs don’t have to remember you at all to write you a recommendation letter. as long as you can prepare a really solid e-mail, you’re good. the important thing is that you ask professors in whose class you did well, and where the class is reasonably relevant to the master’s program you’re interested in.

as a general guideline, this is how you should go about crafting a request for a reference letter:

start off by introducing yourself, in case the prof doesn’t remember you. they’re busy and important! they don’t remember you! and if by some chance they do remember you, they will feel flattered by the fact that you thought they were busy and important enough to reintroduce yourself. make sure to include your name, the course you took for them, and a bit about the program you’re applying to.

then, make your request. try and be as concise as possible. explain exactly what they’ll have to do, and when. let them know why you’re asking them specifically. it’s a good idea to remind them what mark you got in the course. then, upload a copy of an assignment you completed in the class that you did really well on. that way, they have a refresher on the kind of academic work you do, and they can write a more accurate letter.

make sure to follow up with reminders (but don’t nag), and then maybe get them a box of chocolates after to thank them for taking time out of their busy busy professor life for you.

this is a lot to think about, so if you ARE still thinking of re-registering, you may want to make an appointment with your college registrar’s office to make absolutely certain, before you shell out the $25.

best of luck and i hope you get into grad school!

aska

2 Comments

  • LP

    Thanks for the reply, Aska! Really appreciate your help. 🙂 I actually didn’t know you could approach any prof from your past. I’ve always had people tell me to ask only the profs you really hit it off with – the ones you got to know during office hours, by constantly speaking in their class and getting a great mark at the end of the day. I’ve been told that those profs would be in the position to write an enthusiastic and personalized recommendation because they’d know more about you than just your name, and that grad schools are more likely to accept students with glowing references rather than run of the mill ones. Which is why I’ve been considering going back, because I’ve only hit it off in this way with one prof (and they left the university shortly thereafter for a post at another institution). I don’t really know what a “glowing” letter looks like versus a standard letter; I don’t know what a prof has to say about you in order for grad schools to take notice. Never been in this position before. I just want to obtain the strongest references possible so I have a good chance of being accepted somewhere next year. So is going to any old prof enough, or is there some merit to what others have told me in the past?

  • aska

    hey hey,

    no problem, glad i could help!

    if it helps, the advice I’m passing on is pretty much what I’ve been told by other professors and advisors from SGS. if you do happen to have a professor you know super well, worked very closely with etc., then of course, ask them – but it’s not 100% necessary. remember that this is an academic reference (most likely), not a personal one. the professor doesn’t have to know *you* so much as they have to know your work. if they have enough evidence that they can speak to your quality of academic work, then you’ve got the most important thing down. it would be nice if they at least remembered your face, but y’all don’t need to be super close.

    also, you can always go back to profs you’ve had in the past and talk with them in person a little bit before asking the big question. if that makes you more comfortable than just sending an e-mail dry, go for it.

    at the end of the day, it’s your decision. if you really feel uncomfortable asking anyone at this point, or feel that the work you’ve done so far isn’t the best you can do and you want to take a few more classes to really put your best foot forward, then that’s what you should do.

    also, if you’re still feeling like you need to talk this over with someone before making a decision, you can always drop the School of Graduate Studies a line: http://www.sgs.utoronto.ca/about/Pages/Contact.aspx. they’re always happy to help!

    cheers,

    aska

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