Would I recieve two degrees an HBA and a Bcomm or choose between one of them?
Since I’m still in High school I’m not sure how applying to both works, would i apply to the social science stream and the Rotman commerce stream with the supplemental application.
Would there be situations where I have to go to both campuses in the same day? Also im terrible at math, I heard there is a waiver form at UofT that if you dont have a high school pre req than you could sign that and still take the course, I do not want to take Calculus, would I be eligible through that waiver or would I have to take Calculus to gain admission into Rotman, if not how hard would it be to gain admission if I didn’t?
Can I take courses from IR and Commerce and graduate within 4 years if so what would be the course combinations?
Thanks in advance!
to be totally honest, it sounds incredibly difficult to me to do two specializations at two different campuses. i’m actually not sure if it’s possible, because i’ve never heard of anyone having done it. my gut says that it’s probably not possible. but i would encourage you to call the admissions office and see what they say.
< maybe there are ways to get an exception, or alternate ways to study what you want without going to so much trouble? with that said, you can certainly still apply to both UTM and UTSG, according to this webpage. i’m not sure if the rules are different if you’re out of province, so you can check that over with admissions as well. and just so you know, rotman commerce is a UTSG thing, not a UTM one.
in the event that it is possible to take programs at both campuses simultaneously, i certainly do think that you may need to attend class at both campuses in one day. of course, that depends on how many courses you’re taking at once, and when they’re being offered.
i’m not 100% sure about the waiver that you mentioned. i’ve never heard of it myself, and wouldn’t feel comfortable confirming it to you with hearsay anyway. for that, i would get in touch with the appropriate departments— here’s the rotman contact info, and here’s the utm management department’s contact info. regardless of whether it’s true that you can sign a waiver to bypass calculus, i don’t think you’ll be able to gain admission to rotman without it. this webpage states that calculus is an important admission requirement, which indicates to me that they won’t consider you as an applicant if you don’t take it.
as for the course combinations, well, you can check out the required courses for the IR specialist and major, or the commerce specialist and major. if you’re interested in doing two specialists for sure, i think it would be challenging to get your degree done in four years, since each specialist will usually take up at least two years’ worth of credits (assuming you take 5 courses each fall and winter semester). however, i wouldn’t worry a TON about getting things done in four years flat, unless you’re worried about funding. plenty of people take an extra semester or even an extra year to get the degree that they really want!
overall, having thought about your question, i’d encourage you quite strongly to talk to a guidance counsellor at your school about this. have a conversation with a u of t admissions officer as well, if you’re able. you seem incredibly ambitious, but i would caution you that while u of t is exciting and offers a lot of possibilities, it’s important to be realistic about how demanding it is. for many students, it would be stressful to complete two specialists just at one campus, much less two specialists at two different campuses. if you’re confident that this is what you want, then by all means go for it and thrive, and i’ll be rooting for you! but i’d think it through quite extensively first and make sure that you’re certain about it.
anyway, one last thought: if you’re set on doing commerce and IR, i would highly recommend that you look at this double degree program webpage, and give it some consideration. it might be the answer that you’re really looking for.
good luck with your uni apps!
hi! i’m in first year right now and i had a question about POSTs. if i didn’t take a prerequisite for it in my first year and i choose to take it in my second year, how does applying for the program work? do i just apply in my second year then? will this cause me a delay in my studies? thanks 🙂
this is a common situation to be in! yes, if you choose to take a POSt prereq in your second year, you’ll just apply during the application period following your second year. assuming nothing changes before then, you should be able to find the application deadlines here.
as for whether it would cause you a delay in your studies, that really kinda depends on how your POSt is structured. if your upper-year classes don’t require too many prerequisites, then the likelihood is that you won’t see any delay in your studies. but without knowing what POSt you’re interested in, i can’t give you any definitive answers.
if you’re interested in exploring this yourself (which you should), degree explorer is a good tool that will help you map your degree out. you can also book an appointment with your friendly ol’ registrar, who will talk you through this and give you LIVE! REAL TIME! advice that i can’t, lol.
good luck with this!! i hope your first year is going as well as possible given *gestures at the whole world*.
anyway, the title of this post should give you a good sense of how much doomscrolling i’ve been doing. fun times.
Hi there, I’m a first year student and recently got caught for using an online website for help during a term test worth 15% of my grade. I was wondering what kind of sanctions would an offence like this typically receive if it’s a first offence.
really sorry it took a while to get to this. by now maybe you’ll have spoken to someone about this issue (i really hope you have) but i’ll answer this in case you haven’t!
this code of behaviour on academic matters is the closest thing we’ve got to a guidebook on navigating academic offences. i’d give it a read through if you have the time— it contains many of the answers you’re looking for.
since you were kind enough to send me a specific question, though (not just “what will happen to me” but “what sanctions might i face”) i’ve taken two screenshots that you’ll find particularly helpful. you can find this info under the “divisional sanctions” section of the code of behaviour.
i hope that gives you a sense of what you might be looking at! if you haven’t already, i’d really recommend that you get in touch with your registrar’s office. a consultation with an academic advisor will be invaluable to you right now— you deserve that kind of support.
apart from that, here’s a post i did earlier this year that might be useful for you. the student asking this question was in a slightly different bind, but i explained the academic offence process for them, which will apply to your case as well. https://askastudent.utoronto.ca/?p=25569
best of luck with this!
- if you’re interested in good food, new college has the best dining hall on campus, hands down. but if you can cook, innis and woodsworth are good choices as well because their residences are equipped with full kitchens and there’s no mandatory meal plan— meaning you can choose what you eat, when you eat it, and how much you spend.
- it’s true that woodsworth has a great residence! their study rooms have gorgeous views and if you luck out, so will your dorm room. i wouldn’t worry too much about woodsworth being mostly mature/upper-year students, because this is the first time that i’m hearing about that as a problem. there will be plenty of first-years at woodsworth for you to mingle with!
- if you’d like to be super close with one or two roommates (assuming COVID-19 is in the past by your first year), UC and new college offer a classic dorm experience. if you’d like to mingle with a slightly larger group of 4-5 students in a more apartment-style setting, i’d choose either innis or woodsworth. in my experience, the classic dorm experience does tend to be more social, whereas the apartment-style experience offers you more privacy and independence.
- i don’t know much about UC’s food or residences either— which probably just means that the UC res experience isn’t particularly remarkable. if things are really bad or really good on campus, you tend to hear about them.
- i will say that UC has some really great clubs and associations— UC is a bit of a larger community compared to colleges like trin and innis, so that means there’s more variety in the student life there. UC also has several student lounges, one of which serves free cookies on weekdays during a regular academic year. not all colleges are that lucky.
- during a regular academic year, woodsworth has free pancakes every wednesday for all students!
- in terms of student spirit out of your remaining four choices, i’d say that innis and UC students tend to be prouder of their college affiliation, in comparison to woodsworth and new students. i’ve heard that few woodsworth students care very much about their college, but then again i’ve never been a woodsworth student so i wouldn’t know.
- innis is the smallest of your remaining four colleges, and i’d say it probably has the most tight-knit community of them as well. i’m a bit biased here, but innis is known for being welcoming and wholesome, if that’s something you’re into :’)
- if you’re worried about proximity to the heart of campus, UC and new are certainly more central than innis and woodsworth are. woodsworth can actually be pretty far, too— it’s the furthest north of all the colleges on st. george. but i wouldn’t worry about this factor too much— even in the snow, a few extra minutes of walking won’t hurt you too much, and you’ll barely notice after a while. plus, the likelihood is that you’ll have classes all over campus anyway, so you’ll usually be far from something.
… and honestly, if you want a clean residence, that’s going to depend more on the roommate you end up with (which is more or less out of your control). even apartment-style dorms can get messy if you live with messy people. trin, though, is a little special for one particular reason: they get a free weekly cleaning service. lol. because of course they do.
hi! i’m applying for september 2021 for social sciences (and probably some other programs) and i was wondering what the differences between all the colleges are? do i have anything to do with them if i have to learn from home? what’s the point of them? side question, do you have any tips for (possibly) incoming students?
colleges! the classic admissions question.
so to give you the rundown, colleges are basically smaller communities within the very large faculty of arts and science. some of these colleges, like victoria and st. mike’s, used to be separate universities that were absorbed into u of t like a baby eating its twin in the womb.
your college affiliation is mainly significant because it determines which registrar’s office you go to for administrative services and academic advising and which residence(s) you’re eligible to stay at. you’re also eligible for certain scholarships and resources at your college that other college’s students won’t be allowed to apply or qualify for. apart from that, your college can often become the student community that serves as your home base, since there are college-specific clubs, student governments, and newspapers that you can get involved at.
if you’re planning to learn from home (to be fair, we don’t REALLY know what september 2021 will look like yet), your college will still matter for all those reasons except res. if you’d like to make an informed decision but aren’t concerned about res, i’d pay particular attention to what clubs and scholarships are available at the colleges you’re interested in, as well as the general character of the community (which you can read about on reddit* or get ~ vibes ~ about on instagram).
you should also note what you need to do to get into the college of your choice. some colleges, like victoria, trinity, and innis, will only consider you if you place them at the top of your rankings list. victoria and trinity also require supplemental applications.
anyway. do i have any tips for incoming students? heck yeah i do.
depends on what you wanna hear about. i guess i’ll throw some generalized tips at you:
- be aware of what program selection is! in short, when you’re admitted to u of t you’re not really admitted to a program yet— you’ll need to go through a second admissions process after first year. it’s a good thing to be aware of because if it hits you like a surprise… well, that’s a lot of unwanted stress.
- start learning what it means to take care of yourself and your mental health before you enter university. that’s vague, and i’m sorry, but it really is something good to start thinking about. university (at a normal pace, anyway) will strain you like few other things and it’s good to start building habits that will enable you to endure it. for me, that would have looked like beginning to visit a counsellor while in high school.
- enter university with an open mind and some confidence in yourself! if i could do my first year again, i would tell myself that there’s no good reason to feel like an impostor and that there was a lot i could achieve at this school. i definitely wasted a lot of time in first year held back by impostor syndrome, which seems to be relatively common at u of t.
i hope this helped! good luck with your uni applications process— i hope you get into everything you want and that you make the right university choice for you. and let me know if you have any specific questions re: tips for incoming students.
be Boundless and stay safe,
*obligatory note: take things that you read on reddit with a grain of salt! r/UofT makes things sound a lot scarier than they really are sometimes, and not all the academic information on there is correct. but for things like gauging the character of different colleges, you can’t do much better than a crowdsourced opinion.
Hi! I’m in my first year and online and I was wondering if you knew how we could possibly join clubs? I visited the page with all the options but it doesn’t actually tell us how to join? Thank u!
heyo! this might be a silly question, but i was wondering if it matters whether i do a major or minor (i’m in first year right now). does doing a double major make you look “better” in the future, or does it really not matter? thanks!
my guess is that you’re choosing between a double major or a major and two minors?
personally speaking, a double major was the right choice for me. having two majors means that you have a strong background in two different subjects. that will serve you well if you might want to go to grad school but don’t know what for yet, or if you’d appreciate more flexibility with future job prospects. there’s a decent argument for diversifying yourself by majoring in two pretty different things, or rounding out your knowledge by choosing two complementary majors. meanwhile, i’ve heard that employers don’t care too much about what you minor in.
i do think double majoring might be a little more intense, given that major programs tend to have more difficult requirements than minor programs. so there is a bit of a tradeoff.
but this decision really depends on what your interests are, and what’s best for you, right? say you want to pursue three different areas of interest, but have one that you like more than the others— in that case, a major and two minors would serve you better than two majors would.
anyway, i think you should reach out your registrar’s office so you can talk this over with someone more in-depth! i’ve relied upon the academic advisors at my registrar in order to make many of the important decisions of my undergrad. i’d trust their advice over mine any day— i’m really just another student, and don’t have the experience or broad knowledge that an academic advisor does.
wishing you good judgement, though, as you make this decision!
I am currently studying at medical school in my country and I am beginning to think that it just isn’t for me. I am planning to pursue something else. Having said that, I was applying to UofT and I was asked to enter my the schools and post secondary institutions I have attended. Should I include my medical school education in this list or should I only include the high school I went to? Thanks in advance.
i hope i’m getting to this question in time, and my apologies if it’s too late! it can take up to two weeks for me to answer questions on here. in the future, you can actually phone the university’s admissions offices for a quicker response.
anyway, to answer your question— my understanding is that when you’re asked for your full academic history, you’re meant to include every school you’ve attended, even if you haven’t graduated. that also means you’ll need to send transcripts from every school you’ve attended to u of t for your application to be assessed. again, you can contact the admissions offices to confirm this, but that’s what i know from my experience applying to u of t.
i hope that helps! good luck with your application, i really hope it goes well and that you get in.
I’m currently a commerce student at McGill, completing my final year (finishing in 3 instead of 4 yrs). Over the past few yrs, I’ve become increasingly disinterested by commerce, and finally embracing my natural passion for prison & criminal justice reform. The problem-I have barely anything to show for it, is it still worth applying? This past summer I worked a little in sociology as an RA (in commerce tho) -wrote a 30 page history on the police, attended an academic conf on reinventing police?
a mcgill student! wow. don’t get a ton of those around here.
i’m not really sure what you’re applying to, as you didn’t specify? but i’ll do my best to give what advice i feel like i can.
your natural passion sounds very cool to me— we definitely need good people working on prison and criminal justice reform. i think there’s a lot of value in pursuing something that genuinely interests you, as opposed to something that you’re disinterested in. it’s a little cliche to say, but you only live one life, so you might as well spend it doing something that really appeals to you.
even if you don’t have a lot of experience in the realm of what you want to go after, i’m sure there’s a ton from your commerce degree that would be transferable to that field. think about what you’ve learned from your current program— critical thinking skills, research skills, and writing skills are some things i can think of that would be useful in your desired field. i’m sure there’s also something useful you’ve gained specifically from commerce that would give you an edge in the criminal justice field.
people switch their career tracks all the time, and it doesn’t mean that they need to start from scratch. you have an educational background that you can use to your advantage!
anyway, i’m only technically supposed to answer questions that fall within the realm of u of t, but i’ll do what i’d do for a u of t student and suggest that you talk to a career advisor. mcgill’s career advising centre can be found here. a career advisor will be more qualified to talk you through this decision than i am!
best of luck figuring things out! i’m rooting for you.
Hi! I was taking a look at the scholarships that Victoria College offers and I just noticed that it talks about how we’re automatically considered for a scholarship based off of our average of 5.0 credits (if I understood it correctly). Is this affected if we choose to CR/NCR a course? I’m also a first year, if that’s relevant for this questions. Thanks so much 🙂
according to this vic awards policy document, you’ll be able to complete the 5.0 FCEs requirement with courses designated cr/ncr!
this is the exact wording: ““Courses with a final status of CR will count as degree credits but will have no effect on the student’s GPA.” Academic records with CR/NCR will be reviewed for in-course awards whereby CR credits may be used to complete a group of 5.0 credits.”
however, i also found a stipulation about cr/ncr courses on this page: For students who opted into CR/NCR credits for Y and S courses during the recent fall/winter academic year, Victoria College will be limiting the number of CR credits in its assessments for in-course scholarships to be fair to all students. The University will make every effort not to disadvantage students and we appreciate your patience.”
i’m not sure if a similar awards policy will be in place for this fall/winter session, since the cr/ncr policy for the school year is a bit different than usual. so i’d recommend that you avoid applying the cr/ncr designation to too many courses if you’re worried about awards— but one or two should be fine.
i hope this helped! good luck with the rest of your first year, get that bag.
Hey I’m currently a third year student. I am currently wanting to change my degree from HBSc to HBA. I know that I will be starting almost all over again. But wanted to know if that will effect my gpa or transcript?
sorry for the wait with this answer, i’m trying to catch up on a ton of stuff during this small reprieve that reading week offers. ever since the pandemic hit, i’ve been having difficulty remembering when questions came in and when they need to be answered by. so that’s totally on me.
so as far as i know, switching your degree type won’t affect your GPA or transcript, in the sense that nothing will be erased. all your credits and grades will still show up as normal. that means that anything you took as part of a science program can be used towards HBA breadth requirements.
your transcript will probably just look longer than the transcript of someone who didn’t make that switch, since you’ll need to take more credits to complete your degree. individual courses will also hold less sway over your CGPA, since more credits will be counted towards it.
i’d really recommend that if you’re still weighing this decision, you reach out to your registrar’s office. since the academic advisors there will have access to your full academic record, and since they’re experienced with talking students through decisions like these, i think you’ll find them more helpful than i am.
Hi! I’m going to grade 12 in September and I really want to get into the Psychology program at UofT in Scarborough. My grades aren’t the best but, they aren’t too bad either. My average for grade 11 was an 87 and I was wondering if an 87 average is good enough to be accepted.
sorry your message got so buried!
i’m not sure if you’ve already applied, but this is what little wisdom i can offer you.
unfortunately, i’m not aware of any publicly-available admissions averages for UTSC i remember that, at least for st. george, minimum admissions averages used to be available, but i haven’t see any updated ones in a hot minute. so it’s really hard for me to assess whether an 87 average would be able to get you in.
something you should be aware of, though, is that if you’re admitted to UTSC and decide to attend, that doesn’t necessarily mean you’ll be admitted into the psych program. u of t does this thing called subject POSt (program of study) selection, in which most programs need to be applied to after first year. if you’ve taken a look at utsc’s psych major page, you’ll have seen that there are admissions requirements with specific percentage grades listed. that’s really the only concrete admissions info i can offer you, and i do think it is important stuff to keep in mind if you’re set on attending UTSC for psych.
sorry i couldn’t be more helpful! wishing you all the best with your uni applications, and thanks again for your patience with my slow response.
Hiya! I’m a smol first year wondering if it’s possible to do a double major and a minor. I really want to do the creative expression and society minor but I’m just not sure if doing a major + 2 minors is best, which is why I’m wondering if a double major + one minor is possible. Thanks!
Hi! I was just wondering if it’s possible to do a double major AND a minor. Is that allowed? Would it set me back in my studies? Thanks 🙂
answering these two questions in one go because they’re quite similar!
the maximum number of subject POSts you can select is three, as long as one is a minor, so it’s definitely possible to do a double major and a minor.
that’s actually how i’ve chosen to complete my degree as well, so i definitely see the appeal in it and wouldn’t discourage you from doing so! in my case, there was a minor i really wanted to take for fun, but i also wanted the security of having two different majors. i can tell you that from personal experience, it won’t necessarily set you back in your studies (ie. force you to take more than 20 FCEs) as long as you have some overlap between your programs and plan things out very carefully.
i say very carefully, because planning out three programs can get quite complicated and, frankly, stressful. that’s particularly true if you “wasted” a few credits in first year (wasted as in took classes that won’t count to any of your programs), have credit/no credited courses, or need to take courses outside your programs for breadth requirements .
here’s some advice i would give you:
- choose programs with at least some potential for overlap. i’m in two majors within the same discipline, so they share a few courses. otherwise, i’d definitely need to take more than 20.0 FCEs to complete my programs. if you have really diverse interests, for example if you want to double major in chem and history, you obviously don’t need to heed this advice. but if you’re not set on specific programs yet, keeping this piece of advice in mind when you apply for POSts will make your life easier.
- understand the 12 distinct credits rule, which will give you a sense of how many credits you can count towards both your majors. the 12 distinct credits rule won’t apply to your minor, so pile on whatever overlap you can there!
- find out if your programs offer any room for flexibility. i know that some interdisciplinary programs will allow you to request course substitutions, which can help you seek out overlap between your three programs. i’ve saved myself some credits by contacting the person who administers one of my programs, to ask if they’ll be willing to take semi-related courses from my other program. if that makes any sense.
- if you run into any roadblocks, get in touch with your registrar’s office. an academic advisor there will be able to help you iron out any issues.
- keep track of what courses you’ve taken and what requirements you’ve fulfilled. degree explorer is a very helpful tool for this. i also like to use excel sometimes, because i can map out all my courses and colour-code them according to what requirement they fulfill.
i hope this helped! if you’d like to talk your decision over further, you can always reach out to your registrar, who will be able to provide you with more in-depth advice.