• business,  certificate,  choosing,  continuing studies

    dw, shrek is praying for you

    hi aska! i’m on my gap year working while also aiming to get a gr 12 calc credit via TVO ILC. since i’m doing an online course right now, i’m wondering if completing a program from uoft’s school of continuing studies is a good idea. i also saw that SCS bootcamp stuff too. i got accepted to uoftsg for humanities/social sciences, and the plan was to get the business fundamentals certificate too. i’m still looking into the continuing studies programs, and the finance/marketing programs have me curious. then again, i’m unsure if it’s worth pursuing since i fear it might not be as valid on my resume compared to having a BBA. plus, juggling online courses w/ IRL courses, events, etc.

    at the time i applied for undergrad, i didn’t try to get into rotman or schulich since i didn’t have the required math courses at the time of applying (or the required interest in business school lol).

    i like what i’m about to pursue for undergrad but i keep thinking about getting some business stuff under my belt to increase chances of employability, and i’m becoming more interested in business and marketing. this has me wondering if i should try getting business qualifications via online programs or go to business school post-grad. what do you think? i’m thinking doing a business certificate in undergrad and then business school post-grad. thank you so much for everything you do 🙂


    hey there,

    no because you’re so real for this. every now and then i spiral about my program choices and think that i should get a business certificate to get those qualifications under my belt, for employability reasons. #capitalismisdestroyingmydreams

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    so kudos to you for taking initiative during your gap year and looking into all this stuff!

    in terms of the school of continuing studies programs, it looks to me like they can be really valuable for developing marketing and finance skills. they offer so many courses and programs, and everything i see here looks great. they do also offer online finance courses, so it wouldn’t have to be in-person if you’re worried about that time commitment.

    now, it’s true that getting a BBA for undergrad would weigh a whole lot more than getting certificates. however, it wouldn’t be simple or easy to switch into a BBA once you’ve been accepted into U of T. the rotman school of business says they “very rarely” take in students switching in from the faculty of arts and sciences, which you’re in right now. this would be what is called an “internal transfer” into rotman and it’s quite difficult, from what i’ve heard.

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    so honestly, your idea of getting the business fundamentals certificate while pursuing your humanities/social sciences degree in undergrad seems like a good middle ground. especially because you like the program that you’re currently in for undergrad and want to stay in it. that way, if you’re still feeling like you want to pursue business later, you can always pursue business school post-grad. plenty of people go that route after working for a bit.

    although i am not an employer (duh), i think that getting a certificate in business fundamentals would give you a boost in employability, especially when combined with your undergrad degree. and the fact that you would have certificates + a degree from U of T, a very reputable school, will give you another huge boost.

    it’s also quite strategic to combine a humanities/social sciences undergrad degree with business qualifications. that way you’ll have a more diverse set of skills, making you more well-rounded and versatile in the job world? i think.

    keep in mind though, that an mba and bba serve different purposes for both your career and employability. so i’d encourage you to look into which one would fit your pursuits/needs better.

    through all this, my advice to you would be to not stack too many things on yourself while pursuing your undergrad degree. if you want to take those bootcamp or continuing studies course during your gap year, great! if you wanted to do those while being a full time undergrad student, i would say perhaps don’t? especially bootcamps — those are pretty intense and just balancing your courses as an undergrad student is already a LOT. ie. make sure you can commit to what you signed up for 😀

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    overall, i fully support you in your business pursuits, you’re doing amazing. i hope my thoughts on the matter helped in some way. best of luck to you and your decisions! (and thanks for your patience).

    over and out,

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    aska

  • admissions,  business,  economics,  prospective student,  rotman

    let’s get down to business

    hi! i was wondering what the business course is like? stuff like what subjects are required in high school to be able to take business as a major, how big the classes are and what other courses i should take alongside business


    hi there,

    so uoft doesn’t actually have a ‘business major’ — if you’re interested in business you’re gonna have to be more specific than that, because there are a bunch of different business-related programs.

    for example, utsg has the rotman commerce program, and the application requirements are listed here. you’ll need to take grade 12 english and calculus, and also submit an supplemental application.

    utsc offers business administration (bba) programs under their department of management. if you’re wondering about the difference between “commerce” and “business administration”, this is a pretty good breakdown.

    but get this, utm has a bba program (under their department of management) and a commerce program (under the department of commerce). to make things more convoluted, utsg, utsc, and utm all have their own economics programs, which are offered as part of bachelors of arts or bachelors of science degrees.

    i honestly couldn’t tell you the difference between all these business-esque paths, so you’re probably better off just searching for key words of programs you might be interested in on uoft’s website.

    the admissions requirements do vary depending on the program so definitely check for the specific ones that you end up applying for, but they seem to all require grade 12 english, and in some cases, one or two grade 12 math courses.

    class sizes can also vary depending on the specific program you go into, but classes are generally larger in first year where there may be several hundred students in a class, and tend to get smaller in upper years. if you’re looking for some cold hard numbers, this 2012 report from uoft actually breaks things down and shows how over 50% of first year classes had 200+ students, while over 80% of fourth year classes had less than 50 students.

    the exact class sizes for business programs might differ, but there’s not a lot of info out there on the specifics — utsc management is the only program that actually gives an estimate of their class sizes in their faqs, rotman mentions that their upper year courses are capped at 55 students, and utm’s info on this is dissapointingly nonexistent. just don’t be surprised if you end up in first year classes with hundreds of students, especially in courses like calculus which are prereqs for a lot of different programs.

    alright, now to wrap up this very long post, let’s talk about other courses/electives. honestly, it’s really up to you to choose!

    i know it’s kind of a drag and hugely overwhelming to sift through courses in the uoft calender (the utsg artsci one is linked here) until you find the ones you like, but i mean… that’s just what you gotta do. if i’ve learned anything about courses at uoft, it’s that people’s experiences can really vary. a bird course or an interesting course for one student might be absolutely horrible for another, so don’t be afraid to try out anything that interests you. also, uoft’s course evals page and ratemyprof are some handy ways to double check the courses on your list for any red flags or really poor ratings, which can be a legitimate reason to avoid a course.

    outside of your program requirements, you can choose pretty much any electives you like, or even do a major or minor in a completely different field, if that’s what you’re into. uoft’s pretty great that way because there are just so many different courses and programs out here. for example, you can use your electives to just chill and learn things for interest, or go for classes that might complement certain aspects of business you’re interested in. or maybe you just want to double down on more business courses, which works too!

    hope that helps, and best of luck in your business endeavours!

    aska

  • business

    mom look someone loves me

    Hello,

    First off I want to start of by thanking you for answering so many queries for us students and really helping us. So I know this is a dumb question because it varies from year to year but I’ll ask it anyways, I want to get in a program (management) in UTM that has a cut off 3.10 after the first half of summer. How much in in your experience does the cut off usually fall by  September?

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    hey there,

    thanks for thanking me!!! my only real sustenance is anonymous, internet validation, so this means a lot. almost as much as a Twitter follow. every Twitter follow is like a full roast chicken to me.*

    i’m not really sure where you’re getting that 3.10 cutoff. i’ve looked around UTM’s site for it, but can’t find them quoting a specific cutoff anywhere. they seem very eager to stay general about the cutoff, but maybe i’m missing something, or maybe they spoke with you on the phone or in person and were able to give you some general information they can’t publish online.

    the other thing is, i don’t know what you mean by the cutoff falling, unless you’re implying that the cutoff might drop from the first enrolment period to the second. i have no information about that, not even anecdotal information.

    cutoff averages don’t usually change drastically between enrolment periods one and two, though i have heard of instances where people have applied in the first period, not been accepted, and then applied in the second and have been. these people, though, are usually teetering right on the edge of being accepted to begin with. also, my anecdotes don’t come from UTM, and i don’t know anyone in management, so this is hardly useful information to you.

    if you do want further information, i’d recommend contacting the management program office directly. they will know the anecdotal information you’re after (though they are, of course, under no obligation to share this info with you, so be nice and don’t push around the lovely staff, or i will be *dad voice* VERY, VERY DISAPPOINTED IN YOU).

    cheers,

    aska

    *@askastudentuoft :)))))

  • business,  rotman,  UTM

    talking about some business business

    Hello,

    I am an IB student. I would be interested to go to a business school or a university in order to study business/management. I was wondering in which school could I go with which grades ? Maybe, if you have some websites in mind that could help me, I will be happy to visit them.

    Thanking you in advance and waiting for your answer.

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    hey there,

    i only really know about business at uoft, and very generally in ontario, so that’s what i’m gonna tell you about.

    most people agree that the really good business schools in ontario are schulich at york, ivey at western and rotman at uoft (utm’s management programs are also really good).

    this is a uoft blog, so obviously i can tell you the most about rotman and UTM management. i’d recommend you browse the rotman tag if you want to learn all the intricacies and funny little details of that part of uoft.

    you can also browse rotman’s viewbook and their FAQ’s and Useful Links page for a lot of basic info about the school.

    if you have any more questions about commerce at uoft, just shoot ’em my way. and good luck in your research – hopefully you’ll be on your way to the most businessy of careers in no time!

    best,

    aska

  • business,  science,  subject POST

    mystery business program. mystery career. mystery life.

    Hey, so I’m a first year life sci student first year, and ended with a GPA of 3.33 ish first semester (Got a 3.7, 3.0, 3.3, CR and a Y course). Then I decided to take business courses 2nd sem because I found that I didn’t really want to take the science route anymore. Well, the 2nd sem went pretty bad, I only took 3 courses and I’m pretty sure I failed one of them, and am expecting a 3.7 (at best) on the other one and a 2.0 on the Y course. Anyways, what should I do in the summer semester? Do I have a chance at getting into a business program that has a cutoff of like 3.2? Should I go back to science?

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    hey there,

    i’m not aware of any business program at the downtown campus of uoft that has a 3.2 cutoff average, so i can’t really comment on that. if you are interested in business, i’d recommend you take a look at utsc‘s, utm‘s and ryerson‘s business programs (maybe one of those was the program you were talking about? who can say…)

    as for choosing between commerce and science, that’s a pretty big decision – and unfortunately, while i’d really like to be an omnipotent deity who controls the academic fates of all uoft students, i’m not. luckily for you, this means that the choice is pretty much in your hands. if you need a little bit of advice about the direction of your university career, the best place to go would be to your college registrar’s office.

    while you’re there, you can also ask them about whether enrolling in a summer course is a good idea! without your specific academic information, all i can say is that 1) the summer term is a good opportunity to catch up on credits, but 2) it moves twice as quickly and so it can be challenging/hurt your GPA. i’m guessing that didn’t really help much, did it? but the registrar’s office can take a look at ALL your records and help you make an informed decision about whether or not to enrol. and those are the best kind of decisions, you know – informed ones.

    xoxo,

    aska

  • biology,  business,  subject POST

    i want to do ALL the degrees

    Hey!
    So I see that a question very similar to this one has been asked, however, I’m wondering if any of you witty aska people know anyone who has actually pursued the pathway I am about to ask about:
    I want to attend U of T Scarborough for the Human Biology Major program (or maybe the Specialist, I don’t know yet.) However, I would also love to take courses from the B.B.A. program in Management (specifically speaking, Health Management). You know, Biology and Health Management; best of both worlds. So the BSc. in Human Bio is offered as a major, and the B.B.A. is offered as a Specialist… I know I could always do a minor in biology if I wanted to, but is there any possible way to take courses from both specialties? (because I know they are completely different faculties). Or is there a way to graduate with both the Bio major and the Management specialist? (if you are a mere mortal like me and not a robot with infinite intellectual capacity? It seems like a ton of credits needed.)
    Thanks 🙂

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    hey there,

    just fyi, it is officially becoming my FAVOURITE THING that people who come to this website think there is like, an aska TEAM or something. that we all come into an askastudent office and drink coffee out of askastudent mugs and have super-funny inside jokes about this or that secret aspect of the blog. maybe there could be a torrid love affair between me and the guy who answers all the go#$@8mned college questions!

    …yeah, no, it’s just me, y’all. just one crazy kid. though i’m seriously hyped about the idea of something like this turning into a whole business. if any rich philanthropists want to help that happen…i’m on board.

    ONTO YOUR QUESTION. you’re very noble person for wanting to do health management AND human biology, but you would have to be in school for a long time to get the major and the specialist. you need 20.0 credits to graduate, and while it’s not a big deal to graduate with one or two extra credits, you would need to complete 32.5-33.5 (health management specialist requirements and human biology major requirements) credits total to get both of those and frankly, that’s a bit ridiculous – that’s over two years worth of extra courses, and besides being completely ridiculous and kind of masochistic, i’m not even sure that’s allowed.

    even double-majoring in health management and human bio puts you somewhere between 25.5-26.5 credits, which is an entire year’s worth of extra credits and then some. both these programs are very intensive, and they’re that way for a reason. i’d strongly suggest picking one, or like you said, doing a biology minor along with the specialist (not a human bio minor though they don’t offer a human bio minor unfortunately).

    as for taking management courses if you’re not in the program, there are only a few courses you can actually take. According to this,”non Management Program students can only enroll in MGTA01H3/(MGTA03H3) and MGTA02H3/(MGTA04H3). Students in Health Studies/Health Sciences programs can also enroll in MGTA06H3.” so basically, if you really want to do management, go for the program, because otherwise you’ll have a tough time taking many of the courses.

    so yeah. don’t torture yourself. a specialist and a minor is more than doable (if i can do it, anyone can – just use aska as your idiocy metric; you’ll always be able to do better than me), and trust me, you won’t be missing out on much, AND there will also be the added benefit of you being able to sleep! woo!

    never change & shoot for the stars,

    aska

  • business,  commerce,  UTM

    business studies coming before commerce

    I just recently have gotten an alternate offer into your First year Business Studies program at UTM (denied UTM commerce). I was just wondering what the difference is as I dont know much about it and I checked electronicinfo.ca, it is not there. As well as i got a acceptance at york administrative studies, and im definately stuck between both programs.

    A little bit clearing up would be a great help, thanks again!

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    Hey hey

    I pretty much looked at your message, laughed, and asked myself, “What the heck is Business Studies?” because I’d never heard of it.

    Now research extraordinaire that I am, I googled that and found UTM’s little page on alternative offers — which I’m sure is totally neglected by incoming students.

    Basically, let’s say Business Studies is like a pre-program of sorts to Commerce. You’ll take the same first year courses as the Commerce kids and then you’ll essentially be applying for the program again from within UTM come April. They say the cut off average is 2.5, but be warned that that the ACTUAL minimum is most likely going to be a looooot higher since there are going to be a bunch of other people doing the same thing.

    So all in all, there’s no reaaaaal difference. You’re taking the same courses and working toward the same goal, you’re just… in Business Studies > Commerce, so you’ll have to apply to the program again at the end of first year based on your grades in those courses.

    Cheers!

    aska

  • admissions,  business

    why, together you and i could rule the world!


    Hi guys, thanks or putting up and running this fantastic website! Hopefully you’ll have some advice for me too. I have a bachelor in liguistics from the county of my origin (diploma translated by an authorized interpreter) plus I have an Import and Export Business Certificate from Seneca. What educational options would there be at u of t for foreign trade / supply chain / import export professionals? I dont supose I can transfer many credits from the credentials above but perhaps some?
    apologies if this info’s somewhere on the u of t website, if so, could you kindly send a link?

    many thanks,
    Katrina

  • business,  links

    the sites that matter: blogUT

    links
    i’m going to lay it out for you, even though everyone already knows it: askastudent is the best and most useful University of Toronto website ever. but after going on eight years of just owning the internet, it’s time to nurture upcoming talent. in fact, the story of askastudent is pretty much the same as the story of Jay-Z…expect an aska clothing line soon.
    because the internet of UofT is an upside-down quagmire, here’s the links that we find useful, be they from UofT program sites or otherwise. this time out: blogUT

  • business,  OSAP

    aska top 5’s: Adele Madonia edition

    this might look lame, but maybe I'll make a better one later
    I’ve got some shocking news: askastudent is not the only person on campus with useful information and awesome opinions. I know, it sounds crazy, but sometimes it’s good to hear what other people have to say. aska top 5’s is a regular feature that lets a diverse lineup of interesting UofT folk share some of their tips, which might range from incredibly practical to incredibly disturbing. this time on aska: Adele Madonia

  • business,  OSAP

    aska top 5’s: Aidan Nulman edition

    this might look lame, but maybe I'll make a better one later
    I’ve got some shocking news: askastudent is not the only person on campus with useful information and awesome opinions. I know, it sounds crazy, but sometimes it’s good to hear what other people have to say. aska top 5’s is a regular feature that lets a diverse lineup of interesting UofT folk share some of their tips, which might range from incredibly practical to incredibly disturbing. this time on aska: Aidan Nulman

  • business,  OSAP

    aska top 5’s: Chandler Levack edition

    this might look lame, but maybe I'll make a better one later
    I’ve got some shocking news: askastudent is not the only person on campus with useful information and awesome opinions. I know, it sounds crazy, but sometimes it’s good to hear what other people have to say. aska top 5’s is a regular feature that lets a diverse lineup of interesting UofT folk share some of their tips, which might range from incredibly practical to incredibly disturbing. this time on aska: Chandler Levack