• admissions

    (AHHH)

    Hi aska! So I have a question about U courses and UC or M courses. I already sent in my application for humanities at St george(AHHH) and out of my top 6 that I want to use 2 are UC/M courses(just to clarify uc and m are the same thing). My other two U courses are math and I DO NOT WANT TO USE THOSE IN MY TOP 6. Does U of t give preference to students who have their top 6 of all U courses? Or will they include my Maths in my top 6 because they are U?

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    hey there,

    ah, an admissions freakout! i haven’t seen one of these in a while. it doesn’t truly feel like the holiday season until grade 12’s are losing their heads about uni admissions, you know?

    anyway, fortunately for you, your question has a happy ending.

    the problem here is that you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the word ‘top.’ let’s break this down semantically, yeah?

    if the university says ‘top 6 4U/M’ courses (including prerequisites),’ then they are going to use whatever 6 Grade 12 courses have the highest marks, whether they are U or M, in your admission average.

    if they were planning on discarding your M’s in favour of U’s, even if those U’s were lower than the M’s, then they would say ‘top 6 4U courses.’

    so no, you will not be at a disadvantage if 2 of your courses are M courses, and they will not use your math courses if the marks you got in those courses are not within your top 6 highest 4U or 4M marks.

    cool? cool.

    cheers,

    aska

  • admissions,  UTM

    i am the epitome of communication AND culture

    Hello! So i have a couple questions regarding the Communication, Culture, Information & Technology program.

    First of all is there anyway i can get more information on the program from UTM? I wasn’t able to attend the fall information day and I’ve already looked on the website at the program description, but i would like to know a little more about it if possible. So if there’s a number i can call or an email i can contact that would be great! Or if you know anything about the program please further enlighten me on it! I am aware that within the CCIT program there are a multiple interdisciplinary specialist programs, The one i’m interested in is the IDM (Interactive Design Media). On the UTM website it said that i have to apply after my first year of CCIT and that spaces are limited. So my next question is when applying on the ouac website do i just select IDM or select CCIT and then after my first year reapply to IDM? Also, if i do not get accepted into the IDM program after my first year, what happens? Do i continue on doing CCIT as a major? Im just really confused about the admission process. My last question is does the IDM specialization have coop/ internship opportunities?

    Sorry about all of these questions! I really hope you can help me out with this because i don’t know where else i can contact for more information about this stuff. Thank you so much!

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    hey there,

    i don’t know much about Communication, Culture, Information & Technology, to be honest with you. i would read the brochure if you haven’t already. also, it’s always interesting to go on a little google odyssey on the professors that teach in your department of interest; their research can tell you a bit about the kinds of things you might be learning.

    there’s also this careers by major thing which UTM does that i am super jealous of. also take a look at the websites of the student groups related to CCIT – they’ve got some helpful information on there (also, their websites are beautifully designed. figures). you can even contact the execs of the student groups for advice; i’m sure they’d be more than happy to answer your questions.

    otherwise, you can always call the ICCIT directly.

    as for admissions: CCIT is an institute – as in, the ‘Institute of Communication, Culture, Information & Technology.’ the institute itself offer a few different programs: the CCIT major, the DEM specialist, or the IDM specialist.

    you don’t enrol into specific programs until second year at uoft. when you’re applying out of high school, you just pick a stream. see this? the green headings are streams, the things listed under each heading are programs. your stream would be CCIT, and that’s what you’d pick on OUAC.

    again, that doesn’t make you a CCIT major, just a student in the Institute. you pick your program after first year. comprende?

    if you’re not accepted into the IDM specialist after first year, then you would enrol in one of your backup programs instead. you need to be in a program after first year to continue taking courses.

    and i don’t want to hear any of this nonsense about not having backups. life is gonna throw you some curveballs, y’know; it’s always a good idea to know what you’re going to do when and if they happen. (however, i do think applying to the CCIT major is a pretty good backup).

    you can browse every program offered by UTM here.

    CCIT is not offered as a co-op program, but there are some 400-level CCIT courses which are either just internships or can incorporate an internship into their structure: take a look at CCT409H5, CCT410H5, CCT411H5 and CCT413H5. also, the career centre, which is available to all uoft students, provides lots of experiential opportunities across all three campuses. also, there’s this. or you can just go door to door and beg to do people’s programming grunt work for free.

    and don’t worry that you’re asking too many questions, dude. i’m here all night. i have nobody to go home with and am very lonely, so…yeah. i’m here all night. also they sometimes have free food here.

    xoxo,

    aska

  • admissions

    cog. sci. Q (that looks a keyboard smash but it actually means something)

    Just wondering, what’s the difference between Cognitive science as a bachelor of arts and as a bachelor of science? I read what it said on the UofT website but I’m still kind of confused. Is there one that’s more preferred over the other in terms of finding jobs? The stuff on the website is really general and I want a bit more in-depth information since I’m applying to university in pretty much a couple of weeks *EEK*.Also, when they say you “should” take a course, does that mean you have to take it? Is it detrimental for you not to? The thing is, I’m really interested in going into cog-sci but I don’t think computer programming is my strong suit (it’s not really any kind of suit for me, I know nothing about it).
    Thanks in advance

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    hey there,

    this is gonna be frustrating for you, but there are no concrete answers to the things you’re asking. what can i say? life is horrible and uncertain. i’m sorry.

    1) is there one degree that’s more preferable for finding jobs?

    depends on the job, i guess. if you want to get an M.Sc. or go to med school or nursing or anything like that, it’s probably best to have a B.Sc.

    however, the B.A. is not useless. it opens doors to a whole other range of graduate and professional schools. neither degree is inherently better than the other. you just have to figure ou

    t what it is you want to do, and then you’ll know which one is best for you. this page may be helpful in elucidating the potential careers that can come from each degree.

    OR, if you, like most people, have no idea what you want to do with your life because what kind of a decision is that to make in your teens, holy geez, then it’s always a safe bet to pick what you’re most comfortable with. if you’re nervous about comp. sci. and you can avoid it by going the arts route, then do that. it’s much better to be really good in a program you’re comfortable in, than poor to average in a program you think is “more practical” or whatever.

    also remember that you only choose programs after first year, so you have first year to test out these different courses, and see which ones you’re most comfortable with. who knows, you may be a latent computer wizard.

    2) should you take a recommended course?

    maybe? it really depends. what i would do is call the cog. sci. department and ask them straight out about specific course(s), because they’ll know how essential that recommended prep. actually is.

    good luck on your applications! and i know it’s easier said than done (like, a lot easier said than done), but try not to stress so much about them. it’s all going to work out for the best, and uoft can’t make or break your happiness, regardless of what it decides.

    best,

    aska

  • admissions

    engineering vs. engineering

    i forgot to ask some other things(sorry). i go to a semester school (dunno why they call them this don’t all schools have semesters lol) so we have like 4 classes each semester instead of all 8 (or 7 or 6) classes together for the whole year. are my midterm report cards going to be looked at for admission? i’ve been told that final sem 1 marks and midterm sem 2 marks will be looked at for my admission avg. is this true? also, i researched the 92 avg principal’s entrance scholarship and the other entrance scholarships, and there is one thing i am not clear of. which report cards of mine will they look at to get the averages for these scholarships? like will they only look at my final semester marks (and if these average to a 92, i will get the scholarship) or like what? or maybe no one knows hehe just curious to see if u do! and yeah, the extracurriculars are for my own interest but i am maintaining them most importantly for the student profile. what’s the diff between doing biomed engineering in the eng sci program and doing a biomed eng minor in the chem eng program? sorry for flooding u with questions!
    i think u guys can take a break from all these admissions questions in a couple months haha

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    hey there,

    don’t worry about asking too many questions, my friend. i take equal pride in answering questions and in poking fun at them, so if you ask a dumb question, it’ll probably just cheer up my bitter, bullying heart. plus, admissions questions are seasonal, like pumpkin spice lattes or halloween. you learn to love ’em.

    your conditional offer will be made on whatever is available to the university at that point. conditional offers are made midway into second semester, so yes, the semester 1 and midterm semester 2 marks (and SOMETIMES grade 11 marks) would be considered.

    here’s uoft’s wording: “Secondary school applicants with strong midyear results may be admitted on condition that they complete their academic year successfully.” however, final admission offers will be based on your final average based on your final marks in your top 6 4U/M courses including prereqs.

    i’m offended by the idea that i might NOT know something. aska is invincible! i almost never trip over my own feet! i wake up in time for my commitments a solid 60% of the time! and i DO know the answer to your scholarship question.

    according to enrolment service’s Document to Soothe the Worries of High School Seniors (also known as their FAQ), “We award University scholarships on the basis of the student’s average at the time of admission…Most faculty and college scholarship offers are made at the same time. We do not reconsider admission scholarship decisions on the basis of final marks.

    eng sci is a bit different from all the rest of the engineering programs. it’s a bit faster, and a bit more demanding (i’m allowed to say that because the department itself says it).

    if you are a biomed engineering major in the eng sci program, you will have a first and second year which is common to all eng sci students, and then you’ll choose the biomed major for the last two years of your degree.

    also, you’ll have to complete a research thesis, which is either very scary or very cool depending on what kind of a person you are.

    you can take a look at what all four years look like for an engineering science biomedical engineering major here. ALSO, it’s worth noting that eng sci students graduate with a B.ASc (Bachelor of Applied Science) at the end of your degree, as opposed to engineering students, who graduate with a B.Eng (Bachelor of Engineering).

    if you were in the chemical engineering program, you would take a General First Year, which is common to all engineering students other than students doing eng sci. after Year 1, you begin to take courses specific to chemical engineering. a minor in biomed engineering consists of 4.5 required courses, and you would complete those along with your major, over four years.

    cheers,

    aska

    P.S. i trust that all you engineering kids out there will correct me in comments if i made any mistakes here. alas, i opted for a much less practical program option, y’know in terms of life and career options and all that jazz, so i don’t know all the subtleties of engineering. please, do correct me if i messed up anywhere.

  • admissions,  colleges,  OUAC

    canada is very confusing please help

    So I’m from the us and I’m just kind of confused about the Canadian application system. Do I have to write an essay and if so do you know what the common prompts are? I read something about a “personal statement” and idk if that’s what the essay is or not and I’m just so lost please help haha

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    hey there,

    so, what i’m going to be explaining is not so much the “canadian system” as it is uoft’s very particular, extremely idiosyncratic system that we’re all forced to learn if we want to survive at all here.

    first thing you do when you’re applying to uoft is apply to uoft. “i should think so, aska!” you snort sarcastically. “what else would i be doing when applying to uoft?”

    well, you overly snarky applicant you, after you apply to the university – that is, to the academic faculty where you’ll be doing your studies – you apply to a college.

    some colleges sponsor or host a few academic programs themselves, but you DO NOT have to be a member of the college that hosts your program of interest. there is no ‘science’ college or ‘arts’ college or ‘sentient leftover boxes of noodles’ college.* so get that idea out of your head now.

    colleges are predominantly concerned with student life, residence life, and academic/financial student services, so that’s what you want to research when you’re trying to pick a college. i’d recommend browsing through aska’s ‘colleges’ tag and FAQ, as well as reading some of the literature published by uoft proper, to help make your decision.

    some colleges require a supplemental application for admission to their college. most faculties, however, only require a transcript of your marks from high school (exceptions include the faculty of applied science & engineering, which does require a ‘Student Profile Form,’ and the faculty of music, which requires an audition).

    it’s best to figure out what specific program, and then what college, you’re interested in, and then just follow their instructions, because it can varies from program to program and college to college.

    the one commonality between all academic faculties and programs is OUAC, which provides an online form through which you submit your marks and apply to uoft. if you’re an international student, you’ll fill out the 105F application.

    if your faculty and/or college DOES require any kind of personal statement on top of the 105F, they’ll stipulate exactly what that will be. it can vary from an academic essay about your topic of study to a cover-letter type explanation of your extra-curricular and work experience.

    hope that eased your confusion at least a little bit.

    aska

    * the ‘sentient leftover boxes of noodles’ college is just my apartment. and no, you don’t get to be a member there.

  • admissions,  scholarships/bursaries

    your annual admissions smorgasbord answer TM

    Hi, Thanks in advance for answering! I just had a couple of qts- first off, is a 91-92 average (aiming for more but we’ll see how it goes) enough to get into the engineering science program, life sciences program and any other engineering program? I do a decent amount of extracurriculars. Also, what exactly is early acceptance and do you have to apply for it? And do i have to apply for any admissions scholarships for uoft? What are some admission scholarships that i can apply for or that are available to me? THANK YOU!!

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    hey there,

    pretty presumptuous of you to say ‘thanks in advance for answering’ to an admissions question. it’s not often that an overzealous highschooler comes away from one of my admissions answers feeling satisfied. but alas, maybe this time, it will be different.

    the cut-off for admission to eng. sci. is high 80s to low 90s (everyone thinks that’s unreasonable until they see what the program’s like) and low to high 80s for the rest of engineering, depending on the program. for life sci., the cutoff is low to mid 80s.

    as you probably already figured out, the cutoff grade is not the mark it takes to get in, but rather the mark it takes to be considered. take a look at the the average admissions ranges this year; they can give you a good estimate (just an ESTIMATE, mind – aska doesn’t give out guarantees) of what you’ll need for fall 2015 admission.* want more specific answers? i’m afraid i can’t give that to you. no one can.

    also, you didn’t include the sentence ‘i do a decent amount of extracurriculars’ as, like, a clause to anything else in your paragraph, so just in case you don’t know, extracurriculars are helpful for your Student Profile Form when applying to engineering, but it really won’t have an impact on your application to the artsci. sorry.

    early admission is just when kids apply super early (like now) and they get admitted to the university in december. early admission is not better or worse than regular admission – it’s just earlier.

    unless you have some personal timeline that would benefit from knowing what uoft’s admission decision is super early, it shouldn’t affect you at all. except for in terms of, like, peace of mind.

    you’re automatically considered for a $2000 scholarship if you have at least a 92% average at the time of admission. there are also separate admissions scholarships through each college, for which you’re considered automatically (go to your college website to read about the specific amounts etc.).

    otherwise, there are lots of application-based entrance scholarships offered through the university of toronto, and even more offered by private companies outside the university.

    one trick i used in grade 12 was to google any major corporation i could think of along with the word scholarship (e.g. ‘nike’ scholarship. i don’t know if there’s actually a nike scholarship, it’s just an example. please don’t sue me, nike).

    most big, heartless businesses have scholarship programs to make it seem like they have a soul. it’s a veritable treasure chest for desperate grade 12 students.

    best of luck, and hope to see you at uoft next fall!

    aska

    * oh god, is it almost 2015 ALREADY? my life is SLIPPING AWAY LIKE SAND. *rushes to Shoppers to buy orthopaedic slippers and knitting needles to fully embrace the little time i have left as a grandma*

  • admissions,  humanities

    admissions averages changing like a boggart at a concert

    Hey aska I heard that the humanities average for St George went up from its usual 80-84 average. I can’t get ahold of admissions and I’m applying in November Could you please tell me if it changed?

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    hey there,

    i can’t believe people are already applying for another year of school. soon, aska’s time will be over and a new generation of students will be here…all of them smarter, quicker, and more energetic than aska…sigh…

    anyway. existential blip over.

    the average you need to get in every year is kind of impossible to tell. it changes every single year, depending on how ruthless?your competition is.

    what you can do is take a look at the anticipated averages of people who entered uoft in this year. that number can give you a rough idea of what you may need to be a competitive applicant. however, it’s a guide more than it is a rule.

    crazy stuff happens in the uni admissions arena. nothing is for certain. that said, if you know the average averages of the previous entering class, you’ve got a pretty good handle on what you’ll likely need to get in, too.

    good luck,

    aska

  • admissions,  engineering,  grad school,  international students

    a very exhaustive examination of admissions to grad school (whoo!)

    Hey aska! I’m very keen on getting into either Mengg or MS in CS at UofT. I’ve done my Btech in electrical and electronics with 66.76% from a tier 1 college of India. I have a 1.3 year work ex with a big data analytics firm. What are my chances of getting into the program. Gre 312. Toefl 104+ expecting.

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    Hey there,

    so. you’ve got a Bachelor of Technology and now you want to continue the roller-coaster ride that is engineering at UofT. great!

    admissions says that you need a four-year Bachelor’s degree, which you have. You also need to have attended a 1st. div. college, which you did. finally, your TOEFL score is comfortably above the minimum requirements for admission.

    the only thing i’m not sure about is your average. to get into engineering, you need to have completed your degree with at least a B or B+ average in the final two years of your degree.

    i’m not sure whether that 66.67% you mentioned is a) reflective of your four years, instead of just the last two, and b) works on a different GPA system than ours.

    the uoft website doesn’t allude to any different GPA scale in Indian universities, so i would contact the faculty of applied science & engineering to ask them whether your GPA scale matches theirs. also, make sure that the average you’re using to calculate your likelihood of admission is the average of your last two years of school.

    if that average is at least a B+, then you’re an eligible and competitive applicant.

    finally, make sure that you check the admissions requirements for the specific department you’re interested in within the faculty, because some of them have extra requirements like letters of reference (that’s where your work experience could come in handy).

    the M.Sc. in comp. sci. also requires a B+, but only in your LAST year of study.

    the TOEFL requirements are the same as those for engineering, and they don’t specify a preferred GRE score.

    the GRE actually seems like an asset rather than a requirement, because they say that “[a]pplicants from outside Canada are encouraged to submit scores from the GRE General Test, and are encouraged to also submit scores from the GRE Subject Test in Computer Science, Mathematics, or a related discipline.”

    the one thing that might complicate your admission to the M.Sc. is that “[p]reference will be given to applicants who have studied computer science or a closely related discipline.”

    i don’t know how closely electrical and electronic engineering is related to computer science, but it may be something you can ask the department of computer science.

    and that’s it! sorry for the information dump – i hope it all makes some sense. best of luck on your application!

    cheers,

    aska

  • admissions

    two birds with one stone

    I’m doing bad in grade 12 math but I’m applying for humanities and it won’t be in my top 6. Will they still look at it?

    Hey aska I’m applying this year (!!!!!) to u of t st mikes at st george for humanities. I have above 95 in english but my grade 12 math is really bad. The math won’t be included in my top 6 but I’m still worried… Will they look at it

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    hey there,

    i got these as two separate questions, but in the interest of avoiding redundancy, i’m going to answer them both together. besides, i’m pretty sure they were asked by the same person.

    even if they weren’t, i’m lazy, so this is how we’re gonna do it.

    if the math is NOT a required course for the stream you’re applying to (and it’s not, for humanities), and it is NOT in your top 6 4U/M marks, then it will not be a factor in the final admission decision from uoft.

    i hope you have a rad year at uoft/st.mike’s (still not sure if you’re the same person),

    aska

  • admissions,  computer science,  scholarships/bursaries

    give me an extra 5% for being charming

    I’m currently a grade 12 student in Vaughan Ontario. I am taking Grade 12 University Advanced Functions. I’m currently at an 87, and am not pleased with my mark. If I were to retake this course, what would be the consequences?

    I am interested in going into computer sciences.

    Thanks.

    Sorry I to clarify I did the course in grade 11. I fast tracked math. I will be completing my grade 12 year this year.

    I also wanted to know if the additional 5% from extra-curricular activity participation counts toward the overall average when it comes to eligibility for scholarships. Furthermore; what are the automatic scholarship amounts for an average of 90% and 95%?

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    hey there,

    (note: this question is a follow-up to the one i answered here. read that if you’d like a little bit of context).

    i stand by what i said before – an 87% is a good mark. it would do you more harm to retake it now than to just leave it and focus all your energies on doing well in calc.

    as for the additional 5% from extra-curricular participation, i…have no idea what you’re talking about. is that something your high school does? do they add 5% to your average for participating in extra-curriculars? that’s amazing.

    anyway, since i’ve never heard of this being a thing, it’s hard for me to answer the question. i’m inclined to say no, just because the overall average is specifically of your top 6 marks including prereqs, and unless this extra-curricular participation counts as a class, it probably won’t be included. however, since this is the first time i’m encountering this, i could very well be wrong. i would contact enrolment services to make sure.

    the automatic entrance scholarship for someone with over a 92% is $2000, which can buy you a lot of Mr. Noodles in your first year. there are also faculty/college scholarships galore – with one of those, you could even get a bowl and some utensils and use them to eat your Mr. Noodles!

    best of luck with the application process,

    aska

  • admissions

    aww, you took all the fun out of it!

    Have you heard of anyone being accepted to UTSG social sciences with an 83 average? Or is it always above 85 Please god no sarcastic answer back.

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    hey there,

    well now, i resent you taking away one my greatest pleasures in life – that is, being a sarcastic morale-ruiner to young teens everywhere. what am i even doing here if it doesn’t involve some healthy admissions-related cynicism?

    alright, i won’t be sarcastic. but i still can’t really answer your question.

    when you say “have you heard of anyone being accepted,” that implies that either 1) i discuss admissions averages with many people, and so can speak anecdotally about a wide range of them, or 2) i am somehow close to or affiliated with admissions, in which case i could overhear a lot of things related to admissions averages that a university layman might not know.

    unfortunately, neither of these is true. when you got to uni (or at least, when aska got to uni), high school and everything relating to it was kinda brushed under the rug. people rarely talk about what they had or did to get in.

    and as i have said time and again, i am – tragically – in no way affiliated with the lovely folks at admissions. trust me, no amount of begging for answers can change that.

    so, i can’t answer your question. i can refer you once more to this page, which clearly states the cutoff for social sciences admissions as low 80s, not mid 80s.

    but i can’t tell you how many people get in with an average in the low 80s as compared to people who got in with an 85% or above. you can contact enrolment services for more information, or talk to your high school guidance counsellor, who has probably amassed more anecdotal information than i have.

    next answer’s gotta be super sarcastic to make up for this forced genuineness.

    best,

    aska

  • admissions,  chem

    relative to what

    are sciences relatively hard to get into? chem in particular

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    hey there,

    i dunno man. i guess that depends on how smart you are, doesn’t it? and how smart everyone else who applies this year is.

    unfortunately, i don’t know how smart you or anyone else is. i don’t know a lot of things. i’m not very smart, myself.

    the only thing i can do is direct you to this year’s anticipated grade ranges for people admitted to uoft in 2014. i’m tempted not to give this link out for the umpteenth time, but i’ll do it, ’cause i’m kind. you can use those numbers as a rough guide to figure out how you measure up to the pack.

    chemistry is not something you can apply to out of high school at uoft. if you wanted to get into chemistry, you could apply to the life science or physical/mathematical sciences streams out of high school.

    from there, you could apply to a chemistry specialist/major/minor after first year. if you want to know how difficult it is to get into those programs, you can read about them on the course calendar.

    here’s a tip: look up whether the specialist/major/minor is/are type 1, 2 or 3. type 1 is automatic admission, type 2 has certain prerequisites for admission, and type 3 has requirements, plus the program only has a limited number of spots.

    here’s hoping uoft has a positive REACTION to your application! get it? get it?

    cheers,

    aska

  • admissions

    i always hate doing this

    hey aska! hope university hasn’t started to crush your soul in indescribable ways! i was wondering if there is any recommended number of volunteering hours to get into uoft? i hear a lot of horror stories where a guy has practically perfect marks, but doesn’t get in because of the absence of those hours. thanks much!

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    hey there,

    class hasn’t started at the time of writing this, though the anticipation/anxiety of going back is probably doing me some serious psychological damage. thanks for asking, though.

    about your question: trust me, i take no pleasure in doing this. it’s no fun having to crush the rumours that run rampant through high schools across the country, spread by well-meaning do-gooders who just want more people to volunteer for stuff.

    however, the fact is that extra-curricular and volunteer experience almost never affect your admission to uoft. if you’re an ontario high school student, you’ll apply to university using ouac’s 101 form. the 101 form takes your grades and some clerical information (name, address, etc.) but does not require a resume or summary of volunteer hours or anything like that.

    your volunteering experience may be helpful if you apply to one of the colleges within uoft that needs a supplementary application (trinity, victoria), or for certain programs (rotman commerce, for example, has certain additional application requirements), but extra-curricular and volunteer experience has no bearing on whether your’re admitted into most programs at this university.

    generally speaking, the only thing every program requires is good marks in your top 6 4U/M courses including prerequisites. (though i encourage you to look up specific requirements for your area of interest on this handy-dandy admissions site).

    those people telling you horror stories? yeah, they’re probably lying. at the very least, they’re distorting and confusing the facts to freak people out unnecessarily. sorry about that. that is not a cool thing to do. aska disapproves.

    best,

    aska