• graduation,  summer

    unfortunate timing

    HEy aska! I was wondering if I would be able to qualify for November graduation. At the end of 2013/2014 fall/winter session I have 17 credits and plan to take 1 full credit in summer school, meaning i would only need 2 more to graduate. If i take the 2 in fall 2014 would that qualify me to graduate in november or would my only option be to be a part time student next year and graduate in june 2015?

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    Hey there,

    unfortunately, it would only be possible for you to graduate in november at this point if you were able to complete your 20.0 FCEs in summer school. since the maximum course load for the summer is 2.0 credits, you wouldn’t be able to pull that off. you can always go to the registrar’s office and try to see if you can get a 3.0 course load for the summer term (they may give you some leeway since you’re so close to graduating, but you’d have to ask them in order to see), but barring that, i think there’s a june 2015 graduation in the cards for you. sorry about that!

    xoxo,

    aska

  • graduation

    the dean’s promise: fact or myth?

    Hey aska,

    I’m a fourth year student aiming to graduate in June. My GPA is fine, but?I’ve made stupid choices during course selection and now because of course?conflicts, I’m 1.0 credit behind! How does the dean’s promise work??Graduation requests close on the 26th. :<

    ?????????

    hey there,

    the dean’s promise isn’t actually a concrete thing, unfortunately. i know it sounds like it should be. i mean, it’s a PROMISE, right? it MATTERS. yeah, not really. all the dean’s promise really says is that they’ll do everything they can to get you graduating on time, but if you’ve mucked it up past the point of no return, that’s not their problem soz lol.

    so yeah, it’s not super helpful. the action path that it translates to though is talking to your college registrar’s office, some advice they tack on to the bottom of that little summary i linked. at the end of the day, it’s your registrar who’s going to do everything they can to graduate you when you want to graduate. so get yourself on over there!

    aska

  • 12 distinct credits,  graduation,  subject POST

    you’ve got the beeeeest of both worlds, mix it all together and…

    Hi,

    I’m a second year student majoring in Bioethics and 2 minors in Biology and Physiology. I know that Bioethics is a arts program, while my minor’s are in science. I was wondering if I would graduate with a B.A, or BSc, or if I had the choice to choose? I’m also kind of confused about the 12.0 different courses rule, how does that apply to my minors since there is quite a bit of overlap between them.

    Thanks in advance!

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    hey there,

    i’d recommend reading this post to understand the 12.0 distinct credits rule. basically, 8.0 of your credits in your degree can overlap – so between your minors and major, there can only be an overlap of 8.0, i.e. 12.0 credits must each qualify as a requirement for only one of your programs (but that post explains it better than i do so def read that). as for your degree, you would get to choose, which is kind of a super awesome thing that not a lot of people get to do. so CHOOSE WISELY (or just flip a coin lol that’ll work too).

    best,

    aska

  • course overload,  CR/NCR,  graduation

    a smorgasbord of graduation-related anxieties

    Hey aska,

    First off, I just want to say that you’re awesome!

    Secondly, I want to ask about graduating. (I know by the time you see this, 2nd sem will probably have started but I would like your opinion anyway). I’m in fourth year and I had intended to graduate in June but that now seems highly unlikely if not impossible. I started the fall sem with 5 classes and ended with 2 and a late withdrawal. I have been going through depression, family issues, and an overall lack of motivation for school. In the winter sem, I’m scheduled to take 6 classes, which I fear will drive me insane but I want to get as many credits as I can given I flopped the fall sem and tuition is so darn expensive. If I keep and pass those 6 classes, I will have 19.5 credits (so close!). Now, my question is what are my chances of getting a course overload so that I could still graduate in June? I know 7 classes is crazy, but I don’t want to pay more tuition in summer school. Or should I just stick with what I have and take a half credit in summer to graduate in November?

    Given that most of my classes in the winter sem will be electives, should I take advantage of the credit no credit option and use them all? (that would leave me with only 3 courses in which I would get a mark). Are CNC a “bad” sign or negatively looked upon by potential professional or masters programs? Although, I have no current intention of applying to any future program, I want to keep my options open and not screw myself over. Especially since I’m in my last year, how would this be taken? Keep in mind that I already have a .5 CNC from 3rd yr, a LWD from 1st yr, and a recent .5 LWD this past sem. How will schools look at that LWD I got in 4th year? Did I forever ruin any chances to be accepted in a masters program, for example?

    P.S sorry for the long msg and thanks

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    hey there,

    thanks! it’s super cool that you think i’m awesome because i find validation through other people instead of having a healthy sense of self-esteem. it’s people like you who help me function, man. you should feel proud. (no but seriously, i’m glad i’ve been in any way amusing/helpful to you. srs).

    alright, on to the meat.

    this is just my honest opinion, but 7 courses is really a lot. i’d say you have a valid reason for wanting them, so you might be granted course overload. by the way, you have to go through the registrar’s office to do that, so if you have reasonably good grades and you explain about wanting to graduate in June, and if the courses you want to take aren’t all incredibly demanding, there’s a definite possibility you could be granted an overload.

    buuuuuut i wouldn’t advise it, especially in your last year. i understand that the financial aspect of it isn’t a small thing, but if you’re even contemplating the idea of some kind of graduate school in the future, you don’t want to screw yourself over especially in fourth year, which is in some cases the only year grad schools look at.

    personally, i’d take the last credit over the summer. if you can, maybe try to find a summer job to alleviate that cost. trust me, i completely empathize with how hella expensive it is to pay for your education, but i think it’ll pay off in the long run.

    as for CR/NCRs, they’re only really a problem if they’re actually requirements for a graduate or professional school. since all of the courses you want to use CR/NCR on are electives, it shouldn’t prove to be too big of an issue. in fact, it might even be helpful if you think that using CR/NCR will give you a higher overall GPA (something grad/professional schools also look at). and if you’re gonna be taking 6 or even 7 courses i understand that making 1.5 CR/NCR would definitely be helpful.

    HOWEVER i have to add the mandatory cautionary that credit/no-credit isn’t a strategy, it’s a helping hand. if you think you’ll do really well in your electives and they’ll boost your GPA, then you might as well take them properly. who knows, down the line those marks might come in handy for a job application or something, and it’s a real hassle to get your mark released after you’ve made it credit/no-credit already (trust me, i work in a uoft office – people have to jump through flaming hoops backwards to get CR/NCR marks post-exams). also, if you use CR/NCR on three courses all in one year, it might look a bit suspicious to a grad/profession school, though i’d suggest you talk to any grad schools you might be interested in to make absolutely sure.

    as for the LWDs, they’re not great, and they definitely would affect something like a grad school application, but i wouldn’t say that they at all ruin your chances. obviously it depends on your overall GPA and the specific school in question, but if you’ve done well in the grad program’s prerequisites and you have a competitive average, i think you would still have a chance. especially since one of your LWDs was in first year, which is pretty much irrelevant for almost all grad/professional schools.

    also, lots of grad schools have a written application component where you can make a personal statement. that gives you a third, non-marks based chance to prove yourself as a worthy candidate. finally, most grad schools allow you to write them a letter explaining why stuff like LWDs have happened, if there’s a specific reason (don’t do that as part of your personal statement tho that’s a big no-no).

    i hope that’s been somewhat useful to you! best of luck, man, hope it goes smashingly, and congrats on graduating. you lucky butt. grr.

    aska

  • graduation

    dumb grads think they’re on the top of the world grumble grumble

    I have a question regarding graduating a bit late. I’m currently a bit behind in my credits where I might have to take an extra semester. Is it possible to take an extra semester and graduate after that semester ends, or does that mean I have to wait a whole year till June to graduate. Any advice or extra info? Thanks!

    ?????????

    hey there,

    so if you’re taking that extra semester in the summer, you can totally request graduation in november. you just have to request it sometime in July on rosi (the timeline from last year can be found here) and you’ll be all good to go! if you’re planning on taking that extra semester in fall or winter 2014, then you will have to wait until june. otherwise, you should be set for november graduation. congrats on that, man! you get to leave school. i’m not jealous. no. why should i be jealous? *grumbles into coffee mug at desk*

    cheers,

    aska

  • grades,  graduation,  UTM

    crash course on convocation

    Hi,

    My first question is about my transcript. I failed a course back in… 2007 with a 35 (terrible, I know). Retook it the year after and got an 85. Is there ANYWAY for me to permanently remove that 35 from my academic transcript at UTM? I don’t have any real super elaborate reason other than, the course was just too difficult for me… The first time. I know it was so long ago, but it really makes my cGPA look worse than it needs to be.

    Secondly, how does graduation at UTM work? I “requested” for it for Nov. 2013 on ROSI. Haven’t received any info on what to do or how I’ll receive my degree or any information on it at all, really. I don’t plan on actually attending the ceremony (long list of reasons), but I just want to know the process on completing this graduation. I have already taken my photo and everything. Do I just wait for them to send me my degree? Please help. I am so lost.

    Thanks in advanced for ANY and all advice/clarification.

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    Yo

    Basically if you saw a course through all the way to the end, no, there is no removing it. So as crappy as that mark may be, it’s staying there. Especially since it’s from so long ago.

    And how to graduate:

    1. Request graduation.
    2. Eventually receive some sort of email from your registrar saying “thanks we got your request.”
    3. Get your photo taken.
    4. Rent your gown and RSVP for your tickets!
    5. Attend graduation.
    6. Receive diploma.
    7. Brag about it.

    And there you have it.

    Now if you’re too lazy to trek over to Con Hall for your diploma, here are the other ways of obtaining it.

    Cheers!

    aska

  • GPA,  grad school,  graduation,  jobs

    gotta keep your head up…

    Hi Aska!

    I just discovered your site and I have serious issues. I am currently going into fourth year with a 1.85 cGPA. (I know I’m such a failure at life). Do I have any options for having a stable career at this point? I’ve calculated it and it would take me 4+ years to achieve the B average every educational institution is looking for. What should I do? Should I finish my poorly sought degree in the fourth year because I can? Should I strive to raise my GPA before I graduate? Is it too late to transfer and more importantly will anyone take me with my GPA? Any advice will help.

    Thanks,
    Dazed and confused

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    Dazed and confused,

    For starters, maintain that cGPA. Don’t forget that you need a minimum of 1.85 to be able to graduate. If that doesn’t happen though, if you’re lucky, you’ll be allowed to graduate — but with a regular B.A. or B.Sc., as in without Honours.

    Now do you have options for a stable career?

    Well duh!

    Fine. You spent the past four years partying it up and forgetting that your primary goal was to be a student and now your cGPA is shot to hell. You can still work with that!

    So you can’t get into grad school / law school /teacher’s college / whatever. Even people who DO meet that sought after B average don’t get in to said schools. At least you uh… know where you stand.

    You just need to work with what you have.

    Not ALL potential employers want to take a look at your transcript. I highly doubt a lot of them do. Just get your degree from the best university in the country and then apply for entry-level jobs in whatever places and work up from there. Take a look at the Job Search function the Career Centre offers — there are tons of really amazing opportunities to be found there.

    Right now, personally, I think you should finish your degree because well… you’re RIGHT THERE. You’re at the end. But really, that’s up to you.

    Now you should always try to raise your cGPA (or at least maintain it), but there’s hardly any point in lingering for another four years just to bump it up. Likewise, transferring to another university isn’t likely to get good results.

    Just… finish up.

    Your registration was yesterday if you’re going into fourth year, so I assume you enrolled. If you can afford it, just do it, and then since the concern here seems to be finding a job, keep in mind that not all jobs require you to have done some sort of post-grad degree/certificate/whatever.

    But that’s just MY opinion, okay? Think about your situation and make good choices. 🙂

    Cheers!

    aska

  • graduation

    this one’s for you grimace!

    Hi
    If I am doing a major in sociology and psychology. Will my degree show a B.A and a B.SC?
    How does that really work?

    Thank you!

    ?????????

    Hey hey

    I have a friend who did that exact degree!?She opted for a H.B.Sc.

    Now when you do a double major where one thing is an art and the other is a science, you actually get a choice.

    Or well, it’s typically defaulted to science, but if for whatever odd reason you want art, you just tell your registrar.

    Cheers!

    aska

  • graduation

    ignoring the seductive call of senioritis

    Hey hey

    I’m a fourth year and am hoping to graduate in june 2014, BUT the GPA ain’t that great.. So I’m just wondering what happens when you request convocation in November. ?Do they wait till May to approve it orrr is it based on your marks in that semester?

    Did I even ask a question? Anyways, graduation (y)

    Class of 2014 WOO (I hope)

    Thanks a bunch!

    ?????????

    Sup

    When you request convocation, you don’t actually hear from anyone until that request period ends. At that point, you’ll get an email from your registrar or someone telling you that you’re on their list and that you best not botch that year up. Then you get added to a listserv that sends you periodic updates about the whole convocation process (e.g. when are photos taken?).

    But your convocation is based on ALL of your marks.

    Including those of your fourth year so do try fighting the call of senioritis.

    It’s not all that uncommon for students to suddenly fail a course in their last semester because the whole “omg it’s over no more studying wooooo” mindset has kicked in and then exams happen and then grades come out and then there are resigned FMLs. Trust me. ?I awkwardly patted the back of one of those people in the middle of a vacation.

    So yeah. Work on those grades!

    And if you CGPA doesn’t meet the required 1.85… well, go talk to your registrar’s office. I’m pretty sure these things work on a case by case basis, but it’s possible that they might allow you to graduate with a Bachelors Degree (as opposed to one with honours) if the only thing holding you back is your CGPA.

    Cheers!

    aska

  • graduation

    covocation is coming…

    Hey y’all!

    aska is bored, and when aska is bored…

    Well, ridiculous things happen.

    So in celebration of #UofTGrad2013 and the recent season finale of Game of Thrones (granted, that’s hardly something to celebrate?considering what a disappointment it was), here’s a list of things that can go horribly, horribly wrong at your graduation in no particular order.

    1.?The reader of names gets yours wrong. Like come on.

    2. Your little sister gets stopped at the door… or wait, maybe that’s a good thing? As fun as it may be to skip a day of school or daycare or being on the run in the wartorn Riverlands, even graduates find graduation boring, so for someone who isn’t even the star of the day, not finding that extra ticket may actually be a blessing!

    3. You go to shake the Chancellor’s hand as per awkward customs, and when his sleeve rides up ever so slightly, you see a glimmer of chain mail. He smiles at you grimly and smugly and you realize that you can never escape UofT.

    4. You stand up to go on your merry way to the front when all of a sudden, the Rains of Castamere starts playing.

    5. Finally, the process of sitting through a long procession of names is fiiiiiinally over and the second you turn your phone on (assuming you haven’t spent the entire ceremony texting away), you get a call from your neighbour or whoever telling you that your dog/cat/direwolf has been… okay I cannot do this.

    Anyhow, congratulations 2013 graduates!

    YOU DID IT. 😀

  • graduation

    getting grad dates with a little google love

    When can I request to graduate in November?

    ?????????

    Lol.

    Sometimes I wonder how people get through this world-class research institute without knowing how do the simplest of searches, so here I present you not an answer, but instead, the ~*~Official aska Guide to Using Google~*~!

    Step 1: Go to Google. If you’re like me, you may even be lucky enough to have a google search box thingie on your toolbar.

    Step 2: Type in basic words for your search. If I want to see the summer timetable for example, well golly jee, why don’t I type in “summer timetable artsci”? But since I’m trying to find when to request November convocation, let’s try something like “uoft request graduation november 2013”!

    Step 3: Look at the results. Don’t bother going to page two. Whatever you need should be on the first page!

    Step 4: Notice that the link you need is there. Click it. Well, hellooooo sessional dates.

    Step 5: Face-palm because after four years at UofT, it occurs to you that you should know that any important dates are usually on one of the sessional dates page.

    Step 6: Either read through the content or do the lazy thing and do a ctrl+f to search for “request” or “graduation.” Don’t be alarmed if the latter fails because it could just be “convocation.” Likewise, if you do “request,” there may be multiple things to request so do remember to hit the next key.

    Step 7: Find your answer and question why this took seven steps.

    And there you have your date. Two days into the sweltering month of July. Bam.

    Cheers!

    aska

  • graduation

    mad for grad

    There aren’t any dates up on the UC page. Do you know when we should be expecting grad photo and diploma info?

    ?????????

    Hey there,

    I don?t know anything concrete, but you probably won?t get any grad info until after December 7, the last day to declare June 2013 graduation on ROSI. After that date (or some time around it), you?ll probably get an email going over all the specifics like when photos are, renting your gown, yada yada yada. But for your piece of mind, more often than not, grad photos take place around January, so you?ll do that then.

    gung ho for grad,

    aska

  • graduation,  subject POST

    twice as special

    Hi,

    I?m currently in Rotman Commerce and I?d just like to ask about the rules?on graduating with two specialist programs (specifically Finance and?Management). It may take 5 years for me to graduate but some of the required?courses overlap so I guess it won?t be that bad. I just want to know: up to how many overlapping courses can I take (limit) before the university allows me to?graduate with two specialist programs.

    Thanks!

    Two specialist boy

    ?????????

    Hello, two specialist boy!

    So to graduate, technically, you only need one specialist. If you were trying to complete two majors, you would be in a sticky situation, but as long as you fulfill the requirements of at least one of your specialists (so either those of Finance or of Management), you?ll be ready to graduate.

    specializing in cat gifs,

    aska