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Jun02

my bed is my safe place

Hey,

My registrar has advised me to petition to have a quite a few of my credits designated as LWD instead of the F’s they currently have due to my documented illness (read: mental health struggles). I was just wondering if you could give a ball-park estimation of how successful these types of petitions are? The depth of consideration these petitions are given? Will I be taken seriously or will the petition-gods roll their eyes?

I’m scared/embarrassed of submitting a petition with such a heavy request. I actually do pretty well in school when I’m not in bed all day (which has been the case for the past year and a half).*

*FYI, I am currently receiving treatment and plan to resume with my studies – I just really need my academic record cleaned up if I want to have any future in my field or any future period.

Thanks!

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hey,

while i personally haven’t seen people petition to designate failed courses as LWD, (that’s not to say it doesn’t happen) petitioning for most things at U of T is done through a case by case basis. there isn’t really a formula or way to predict what the outcome will be. since this petition is kind of a big deal, know that the petition committee will not handle it lightly and will only approve of it if there are serious extenuating circumstances.

for now, i would just follow the advice of your registrar and try to petition it anyways. the fact that your registrar has advised you to do so means that they think there could be a chance of it getting approved. and hey, it doesn’t hurt to try!

in my personal experience (meaning it might not be the same for everyone), mental health issues are dealt with pretty seriously at U of T. i’ve definitely late withdrawn from several courses over the years due to mental health issues with the help of my registrar and counsellors at health and wellness. being in bed all day made going to class and, well, pretty much everything very difficult. it was the greatest escape from reality. you’re not alone.

the good thing is, you’ve taken the initiative to contact your registrar and ask for help. the fact that you reached out for help definitely helps your case! i don’t think they’d straight up roll their eyes if, like you said, you do pretty well in school when you aren’t in bed.

i can totally understand why you’re scared; petitioning is always a little nerve-wracking. it may not be what you want to hear, but realistically, the only thing you can do is keep your fingers crossed and hope for the best! remember, health always comes first. stick with the treatment plan if it works, and always put yourself and your wellbeing before anything else. you can do this.

^me and you

(i started typing ‘hug’ into giphy and then i saw ‘hugh jackman’ [my husband], so i thought i would get him to give you some encouragement as well)

sending you our love, luck, and positive vibes all around,

aska

 

May24

you need some good ‘ol r and r

hello aska,

i read through a lot of your answers that were tagged with relevant terms, but I still hope I am not repeating someone’s question

im a utm student about to be put on suspension… last school year i was negligent with my studies and so getting on probation was my fault entirely. this fall semester my marks have been abyssmal (i failed 3 courses) and I know it is my fault too, but there was also a  situation that happened during november (2016) that I could argue affected my marks.

im not used to persisting to get exemptions or extensions (since ive never had problems that werent at least partially my fault) so I did not do anything about it at the time. now I am wondering if it is worth/possible pursuing or if it is too late. it was stressful and time consuming situation and unfortunately I do not have any official documents regarding the situation, maybe a few witnesses or pictures and onesided attempts to a file report…

i am just grasping for any straws right now if you cant tell, just looking for a way to return to uni this september. ive read that students improved after a year off but i do not see how I will be able to cope with suspension and the burden of crushed expectations during the forced year off. needing to repay my school loans once im not full time also scares me.

if my winter semester gpa is a great deal higher than my fall gpa this year is there a chance i could file a petition to return to school in september since I showed improvement?

im probably hoping you could gauge my chances of returning in september and relay to me some good news ;; although I didnt mention it a lot, I do know how much of the blame for this situation is on me.

im scared to reflect on it too much so i am trying to keep moving by looking at my options. the only hope I have right now is to ace every single one of my upcoming exams 100%..

thank you for your time with these answers

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hello,

first of all, i’m really friggin’ sorry that i didn’t get to this question in time. sometimes it’s hard to get through everyone’s questions in time for the end of the semester, but we (yes we, i’m not alone in my efforts anymore!) are working our way through them as fast as we can.

also, thank you for taking the time to see if this question has already been answered. we really appreciate it.

when you emailed us, you mentioned that you were about to be suspended. i’m assuming that the suspension has now taken effect. again, i wish i could’ve offered you some advice earlier but it really wouldn’t have had much of an effect on your situation.

so, how do we move forward from this? it sounds like you’ve had a tough year.

first: i cannot stress this enough. go to your registrar’s office as soon as possible. even though it might seem too late, they may be able to help you file a petition to lift your suspension. please keep in mind that these kinds of petitions are reserved for very special circumstances will only be approved if the committee on standing believes that there were extenuating circumstances affecting your ability to meet the demands of school. your chances of continuing school in september will depend on whether or not your registrar believes there are sufficient grounds to file a petition. don’t lose faith, there is still hope!

i’m not 100% sure about the timeline/deadlines on these types of petitions since they are very rare, but i would go the registrar’s office as soon as you can.

regarding asking for extensions from profs: this is definitely hard. it took me a long time to get used to doing it, but you really need to think about it like this: you’ll never know until you ask. at least do the bare minimum and ask. if you don’t feel comfortable with asking for extensions from your profs, registrars are also capable of sending emails on your behalf.

on the other hand, taking a year off might seem like the worst thing right now, but maybe it’s just what you need. you can get a job doing something you like and work towards paying off your student loans. the time off could be valuable for you in terms of re-evaluating your goals. a year without school might be good for your soul. think about it. a year of no readings, no essays, and no assignments sounds pretty nice tbh. relax and recuperate. it seems like what you went through was a little traumatic to say the least. don’t beat yourself up if you need some time to get back in the groove of things.

wishing you all the best,

aska

*we are always here for you if you need us for (somewhat delayed) support* <3

Sep26

chin up

Hello,

I was wondering if there are any cases where a student who was refused further registration was allowed back through petitioning?

In the Jan-Apr 2016 semester, I enrolled in a few courses that I had to eventually drop due to extenuating circumstances. Unfortunately, I had confused the course drop date with the late withdrawal date and ended up having the to late withdraw my courses instead. The problem is I went over the late withdrawal limit and was left with one course that I could not have passed by then. I was on my last academic suspension, thus was refused further registration after having this failed course on my record.

I immediately filed a petition to have the course removed from by records, but was refused. This was in April. I have been working since then, but I really want to finish my degree. Since my second suspension, my grades have been slowly improving, though not enough to take me out of academic probation. I am eight courses short of completion and to fail now because of a careless mistake, not poor grades, is regrettable. I have been trying so hard to improve. I’ve been on suspension so many times, but I keep coming back because even though I am not a very good student, I am serious about getting my degree.

I have been talking to an academic advisor since my first suspension way back when. She’d helped me with my latest petition too, but after it was refused, I emailed her several times, including one last week, but no response. Maybe she is on holiday. Or maybe she has no obligation to talk to someone who is not a student? Is that possible?

Are there any stories of people actually coming back from a refusal? What do you think of my situation? Also, when I was suspended for 36 months, I actually made a petition for an early return and was approved. The approval message included a line that said that this would be the only time something like this will be approved; the same type of petition will not be approved a second time. If I appeal this time, would it be a different type of petition?

Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time.

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hello there!

first of all, i want to commend you for your unrelenting determination in completing your degree. i would give anything to be as determined as you!

that being said, i wish i had better news for you.

given the fact that you have been suspended multiple times, it’s very unlikely that the university will let you re-register. due to the unique nature of your question, i actually consulted a registrar and was told that petitioning after being refused further registration was possible, but extremely rare.

refused further registration is as clear as it gets.

if you are dead set on trying to come back (again, good for you), my advice for you is to try contacting your college’s registrar’s office. i understand that your advisor may not be responding to your emails, but if you contact the office directly, they might be able to do something for you, whether it’s helping you pursue your petition, or looking for alternate options.

since it is a busy time of year, some registrar’s offices get backed up with too many emails from incoming students, so it may help to go visit them in person. generally, offices tend to help those who come in person first over those on the phone or those who email.

i’m assuming that petitioning refused further registration will be a different petition because it’s making an appeal for a different rule at the university, but again, your registrar will have a better idea of how the petition process works.

if you aren’t able to come back to school, you might want to consider applying elsewhere. you never know, another university or college may have a different acceptance standards.

have i ever heard of anyone coming back from being refused further registration? no, but that’s not because it’s never happened before, it’s only because that in my short time as aska, i’ve never met anyone who has been refused further registration.

in terms of my own opinion, i think it’s great that you’ve been working during your suspension and being productive. i hope that you’ve found something that you enjoy doing! maybe further employment and pursuing your career is the way to go! it certainly is cheaper than completing a degree! don’t be discouraged, you said that your grades had been steadily improving. do not forget about that progress. your determination alone will get you very far.

aska believes in you.

and frankly, i’m excited to see how your life unfolds. drop us a line sometime and keep us updated on your situation!

cheers,

aska

 

Jun22

suspension petition

Hey quick question…what is the likely hood of getting a suspension appealed/lifted because of violence at home? Thanks

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hey there,

with petitions, compelling reasons go a long way, and certainly if you are facing a serious issue, the petitions committee will take it seriously. in this case, your divisional/college registrar’s office would be the best place to go not only to begin the process of filing the petition, but also to deal with the situation at hand. i’d highly recommend speaking with them as soon as you can.

all the best,

aska

Jun20

petition-ception

So basically I filed a petition at the end of my first year to remove a cr/ncr I had in a course, even though I got a terrible grade of 54 in it. The reason I chose to get the cr/ncr removed was because I had taken 3.5 credits with 0.5 as cr/ncr and I needed full 4.0 to apply for the Management program. I knew my cgpa would take a dip, but I was a naive first year who didn’t even know I could apply again at the end of my second year or I wouldn’t have taken this absurd decision. My petition got accepted my cgpa took a dip and I didn’t get into management.

Now fast forward to the end of my 2nd year even though my cgpa has increased, it still doesn’t meet the cut off, however if that program which I had successfully petitioned to remove the cr/ncr of was still cr/ncr my cgpa would easily meet the cut off. Now my question is if I can successfully somehow petition to explain to the university that at the time I put in my first petition, I was unaware of the fact that I could apply at the end of my 2nd year and if they could reinstate the cr/ncr, as that really is my last hope of getting into the Management program.

Thanks for your time, and awaiting your response.

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hey there,

seeing as getting a credit/no-credit reversed is a pretty rare thing, putting back a credit/no-credit which you’ve previously removed probably has an even slimmer chance of happening. now, this assessment is based on my limited experience of petitions relating to CR/NCR’s, which in turn is based out of one college in the faculty of arts & science. the rules are not identical at UTM, and so my assessment may or may not match up to your experience. i can’t seem to find any information that’s relevant to your situation in the literature, so i think we’re on our own here.

the only way to know for certain what your chances are on your campus is to talk to the UTM office of the registrar. they can tell you whether or not this is advisable.

cheers,

aska

Jun07

fake-out of a fail-out

hey aska, quick question for you. Im pretty sure I already know the answer to this but ill ask it anyway. So, Im a student at the utm campus and sadly recently failed a course which had a big impact on my cgpa. I do not need the course as a prerequiste for my program and was wondering if it were possible to get the failed mark removed from transcript or records? Thanks 🙂

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hey there,

unless there were really exceptional, extenuating circumstances surrounding this failed mark (in which case I would talk to your registrar’s office about petitioning for a WDR status in the course), then no, there wouldn’t be. if you do have exceptional circumstances surrounding your failure, i always encourage touching base with your registrar’s office. otherwise though, it tends not to be possible.

i know that failing a course is a really, really crappy thing to experience. try though, if you can, to use your frustration about this mark to fuel your determination to do better next time. i know it sucks, but you can do it. i believe in you.

cheers,

aska

Jun03

the finer points of petitioning

Hey Aska,

So I am a third year student (technically 4th) and I’ve recently been put on a one year suspension. I’ve been in utsc since 2012 and it has been a miserable experience. Anyways, I was wondering how long it takes for the papers to finally reach to the registrars? My marks don’t add up for atleast 3 courses and I think my finals have been marked really really poorly. The thing is, it’s been close to 10 days and I haven’t heard anything from the registrar. I also petitioned for a recheck of my final exam marks  and you are supposed to provide supporting documents within ten days of the petition, I am not sure if my petition would be cancelled if registrar fails to provide me papers on time? I’ve tried talking to the registrar but I was ignored and sent back promptly. I am concerned and would like to have atleast one chance to prove that I’ve been marked incorrectly so that things may be corrected and I can move forward.

Any suggestions on who I can discuss this with? will my petition be cancelled?

thanks

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hey there,

i’m not 100% sure i’m understanding this question correctly, but i’ll give it my best shot. since you didn’t clarify what you mean by the word ‘papers,’ i have to guess what I think you mean. i’m gonna assume that since you petitioned for a recheck, the papers you’re referring to are the documents (your statement and photocopy of the final exam) through the eService for your petition.

if all documentation has been submitted on time, then there is no reason that your petition would not be considered. if there is some kind of documentation, like a copy of a final exam, that you need from the registrar’s office, that’s something you have to sort out with them.

however, do keep in mind that petitions take a LOT of time to go through. while it is true that you have to submit all your supporting documentation within ten days, it can take much longer for you to receive the petition decision from UTSC. i don’t know about how UTSC’s process works in detail, but at the Faculty of Arts & Science, three weeks is a typical waiting time to hear back about a petition. there’re a lot of petitions and only one office, unfortunately. that’s just how it goes.

also, i know you didn’t ask about this, but just as a side note: i don’t want you to be having a miserable time at school. i’m sure you don’t be wanting to have a miserable time. maybe this is a good oppoerunity to think about how worth it it is for you to stay at UTSC; and if you do want to stay, whether some changes might be in order. consider talking about it with an advisor at your registrar’s office, parent, or someone else you trust; it could be worth your while.

cheers,

aska

Feb24

changing an F to a WDR

Hi aska!

I have somewhat of a sticky situation that I’m not sure how to handle. I’ve been talking with my college registrar, but still feel … well, stuck!

Back in 2011, I started my first year at UofT in EngSci. I completed two full semesters, not doing extremely well, but passing/failing my courses at a pretty even ratio across the board. At that time, I had some err mental health issues, that really started to spiral out of control. I won’t go into details here. Essentially, at the end of my second semester in EngSci, I decided to transfer into LifeSci to try approaching my goals from a different perspective. I started my first semester in this new program September 2012…

Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to even get passed a few months into the semester before being admitted into CAMH. To be honest, I was hospitalized for about 2 months there, and really don’t remember anything from the time (institutions seem to rely on solely pharmaceutical treatments, at least at the time –> highly medicated!) but there seems to be some records of contact between myself and my registrar in efforts to withdraw from my courses – it still would have been late withdrawal as it was past the drop date for the course. Because I didn’t complete the courses, my grades were extremely poor – all Fs.

Having said that, my treatment went sour, things went terribly, and I never ended up following through. The past four years, I’ve been trying to recover and get back on my feet. Finally, this September I re-enrolled into LifeSci and am starting all over again. Looking at my transcript, my cGPA is shot, I’d say even 6 feet below. I’ve been trying to access health records from the hospital, to no avail just yet.

What are the chances I’ll be granted a LWD if I petition at this point?

Thank you!!

Defeated Student.

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hey there,

if i’m understanding correctly, you want to petition to LWD courses that you took back in 2012. i’m going to answer your question assuming that’s what you’re asking, but if i misunderstood, just let me know so i can help out further.

so, you wouldn’t be able to get an LWD. you are able to petition for a WDR (withdraw) which is essentially the same in every way as an LWD but it stands for ‘withdraw,’ and you would have ‘WDR’ designations on your transcript instead of ‘LWD.’

i don’t have enough information to be able to advise you much further in this case. whether or not the petition is likely to be successful, i can’t say. the only thing i can recommend is continuing to talk with your college registrar’s office about it.

perhaps you feel like your meeting with your registrar’s office was not particularly fruitful. that doesn’t mean it’s the end of the conversation. what i would recommend is writing down everything relevant to your story down on the piece of paper. write the points you wanted to make to your college registrar. then you can go in again and have another conversation, even with the same person, or somebody else if you’ll be more comfortable. i often find that writing things down helps to make sure you’ll cover all the points you want to cover.

there’s never any harm in submitting a petition, but if your college registrar’s office thinks it’s not advisable, then it’s worth it to listen to them and avoid wasting your time.

cheers,

aska

Jan06

uoft part 2: less getting lost, more getting winning

Hi ,

So I was a student who got admitted to U of T (St.george) in September 2013, on academic probation , cause for one of my high school courses I performed about 2 % below what was required on my conditional offer. Anyways , after coming to U of T, I got a little overwhelmed, and I am not joking when I say that I missed alot of classes cause I would just get lost. And Some other personal issues that had been going on came up . Long story short, At the end of my first year I ended up failing 6 out the 7
courses I took , and was put on suspension. So I freaked out didn’t tell anyone , including my parents. And basically I pretended I was going to school all year even though I wasn’t . This obviously put alot of stress on me and worsened my problems. So in the summer of 2015, I came back and took 2 courses , and failed them both. And so I was suspended for 3 years. I decided at this point that I obviously couldn’t keep this hidden from my parents. So I told them. and I started taking courses at ryerson in the Chang school . I am also now getting help for my mental illness, and I am feeling great and doing well in the courses. My question was that can I petition at the end of this school year to have my suspension lifted early, on the basis that I have solved my problems, and I am doing well in the ryerson courses, and have a part-time job. I have read some places that it wont work unless you were getting medical help during the time you were suspended. What are my chances of the petition being accepted, if I can prove I am better , and doing well in university level courses, even if they are at Ryerson.

Thanks

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hey there,

i’m sorry to hear you had a bumpy start to your degree at uoft, but i’m glad to hear you are doing better now!

after consulting with my MYSTERIOUS ALL-KNOWING SOURCES, i have divined that the fact that you are a) doing well in university courses and b) getting help with your mental health (provided you have documentation to support this) are both great supports to justify your return to uoft.

however, my source warned me that the petitions committee is unlikely to allow you to come back so early. if you last took courses one year ago and you’re on a three-year suspension, you’ll have to do some pretty hard convincing to get them to let you back two years early.

that being said, if you really do feel ready to come back, you can still contact your college registrar to submit a petition, and hope for the best. the worst they can do is say no, and you can always try again in a year’s time.

cheers,

aska

Aug07

just don’t do it, man

if I have a course conflict and those two courses also have an exam conflict, can I be allowed to take the exams at different times or bc I scheduled in a conflict will I not be allowed to? thanx

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hey there,

nah. general rule is: if you knowingly put yourself in a conflict, you knowingly accept that there is a possibility that you will have test and exam conflicts. if you have a test conflict, you can always ask one of the professors if you can write their test at another time. if they’re merciful, they might accommodate you – but they’re under no obligation to do so.

as for exams, an exam conflict can only be resolved with a petition. if you submit a petition to reschedule an exam because you’re in a course conflict, you can expect that the Faculty probably won’t be so understanding in your request.

basically: if you can avoid the conflict, do it.

cheers,

aska

Jun24

go now!!!!!

Hi Aska,

I am contemplating a second degree a couple of years from now but the calendar says the deadline to petition is June 30 . Is that June 2015? Also can St George student petition to do a second degree at utsc? Thanks

Hoping that the deadline isn’t June 2015

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hey there,

if you want to start your degree in september, then yeah, it’s this June. so in six days.

your college may give you some wiggle room, but it’s best not to push it. if i were you, i’d hightail to my college registrar’s office ASAP and get the process started. if you can’t go in person, e-mail them – i know you’ve got access to e-mail. in any case, petitions take at least a couple of weeks to process, so the earlier you get in touch with your registrar, the better.

andale!!!

aska

Apr04

a certain petition decision?

Hey, I was just wondering if there is any possible way to repeat an EXT course. I need at least a 63%? for program requirements, the first mark for the course i got a 58, the second time i got a 60. I petitioned to be put into the class again and it got refused. Is there any other possible way I can get into this course again or talk to anyone that can help me or are there any solution you can give me without telling to just go into a different program? The course i need i MGM101 btdubs.

thanks for taking time in reading this

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hey there,

umm…um…

k usually, petitioning is like the last resource when it comes to going against the rules in this place. the one thing you can do is appeal your petition, but don’t think that appealing is just like ramming against a wall until it gives. you should only appeal 1) if you speak with a registrar and they think it’s worth it – they usually know if it’ll work or not, 2) if you have “further information or further arguments to make in support of your request,” and 3) if you are able to do it within 90 days of the decision made on your petition.

if you’re just gonna go back to them and say, “please please please have mercy,” they won’t take kindly to it. trust.

so yeah, that’s an option, but i’d say it’s not a great one. i mean, definitely discuss it with your registrar, but i feel like you’ve given them all the information you possibly could about the situation.

at the end of the day, man, there are a lot of programs out there. some might not be so hard on you, you feel?

best of luck,

aska

Aug16

deferring for dummies

I wrote down the wrong date for a final exam on my calender. I missed it what do I do now? I have been working har to finish an essay but I have been studying and i was ready to sit in on the exam but I got the date wrong. Will UofT grant me a deferral or is it a lost cause? I can’t believe how stupid I have been. What do I do?

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Hey hey

Okay so here’s what you do:

Step 1: Cry a little.

Step 2: Read this spiel. I say this mostly out of formality.

Step 3: Fill out this petition form.

Step 4: Go into your registrar’s office with the petition form and a preferably typed statement addressed to the Committee on Standing explaining your screw up. You’ll literally just have to say that you thought the exam was at x date because y reason (for example, the time you saw was right above the time that was actually yours). There, you might have to sit tight while they scrutinize the statement, but you should be fine.

Step 5: Wait with a bottle of wine.

Now will UofT grant you a deferral?

Dunno. Can’t quite answer that in yes or no terms.

BUT, word on the street (read: common knowledge) states that UofT isn’t as evil as we think it is and that, in fact, it can show grace in the face of timetable misreads and usually grants that leniency once in your undergrad.

Of course, we’ll never know until you petition. So get on that. Now.

Cheers!

aska

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