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Dec09

always choose the option with the dog

Hello Aska!

I’m extremely frustrated and stressed at how much I’ve taken school for granted, so much that I’m now on academic probation! I’m currently taking 4 courses at UTSG and I know for sure I can not pass this one course. So I’m wondering if it’s possible to drop it before the deadline (Nov 6) without it harming my academic standing.

Please tell me something good.. otherwise I’m quitting life and taking my dog and we are moving to the mountains and becoming mountain people

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hello,

first of all, i realize this answer may no longer be relevant, but i hope in the future you’ll direct your more urgent questions to a registrar! as much as i would like to answer everyone’s questions immediately, some questions do take more time to answer and as a result, it’s hard to answer questions in a timely manner.

nevertheless, i will answer your question now so future students in your situation can benefit! dropping a course before the drop deadline will not have an effect on your academic standing. yippee! i really hope you actually dropped it.

if you ever miss the drop deadline, you have the following options, to credit/ no credit (or as some people call it, “see-ar, en-see-ar”), or to late withdraw from the course.

to credit/ no credit (abbreviated as cr/ncr) the course is an option if you are doing poorly in the course and are not sure if you will pass. if you do pass, you’ll receive credit for the course and no grade. if you don’t pass, you won’t receive the credit. keep in mind, this only applies for courses that you don’t need for your program. you can cr/ncr up to 2.0 FCE’s. cr/ ncr deadlines are usually well into the respective semester and are listed in the ‘sessional dates‘ section of the arts and science website.

to late withdraw (LWD) from a course is for situations in which you think you’ll fail and if you’ve missed the drop deadline and the cr/ncr deadline. it won’t affect your GPA and your transcript will just say LWD.  you can LWD from up to 3.0 FCE’s. you’ll have to go through a LWD with your registrar and discuss what went wrong to prevent it from happening again. the deadline for late withdrawal is on the last day of classes in each respective semester, meaning dec 7th is the last day to LWD from an F course, and april 5th is the last day to LWD from S and Y courses)

pro-tip: take a look at all the sessional dates and mark the dates for cr/ncr and LWD on your calendar. you never know when those dates will come in handy!

registrar’s offices always get students saying, “well i didn’t know when the deadline was!” well, tough.

moral of the story? keep in touch with your registrar’s office when you have an urgent situation. they’re a great help and don’t usually bite.

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peace and love,

aska

Sep26

chin up

Hello,

I was wondering if there are any cases where a student who was refused further registration was allowed back through petitioning?

In the Jan-Apr 2016 semester, I enrolled in a few courses that I had to eventually drop due to extenuating circumstances. Unfortunately, I had confused the course drop date with the late withdrawal date and ended up having the to late withdraw my courses instead. The problem is I went over the late withdrawal limit and was left with one course that I could not have passed by then. I was on my last academic suspension, thus was refused further registration after having this failed course on my record.

I immediately filed a petition to have the course removed from by records, but was refused. This was in April. I have been working since then, but I really want to finish my degree. Since my second suspension, my grades have been slowly improving, though not enough to take me out of academic probation. I am eight courses short of completion and to fail now because of a careless mistake, not poor grades, is regrettable. I have been trying so hard to improve. I’ve been on suspension so many times, but I keep coming back because even though I am not a very good student, I am serious about getting my degree.

I have been talking to an academic advisor since my first suspension way back when. She’d helped me with my latest petition too, but after it was refused, I emailed her several times, including one last week, but no response. Maybe she is on holiday. Or maybe she has no obligation to talk to someone who is not a student? Is that possible?

Are there any stories of people actually coming back from a refusal? What do you think of my situation? Also, when I was suspended for 36 months, I actually made a petition for an early return and was approved. The approval message included a line that said that this would be the only time something like this will be approved; the same type of petition will not be approved a second time. If I appeal this time, would it be a different type of petition?

Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time.

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hello there!

first of all, i want to commend you for your unrelenting determination in completing your degree. i would give anything to be as determined as you!

that being said, i wish i had better news for you.

given the fact that you have been suspended multiple times, it’s very unlikely that the university will let you re-register. due to the unique nature of your question, i actually consulted a registrar and was told that petitioning after being refused further registration was possible, but extremely rare.

refused further registration is as clear as it gets.

if you are dead set on trying to come back (again, good for you), my advice for you is to try contacting your college’s registrar’s office. i understand that your advisor may not be responding to your emails, but if you contact the office directly, they might be able to do something for you, whether it’s helping you pursue your petition, or looking for alternate options.

since it is a busy time of year, some registrar’s offices get backed up with too many emails from incoming students, so it may help to go visit them in person. generally, offices tend to help those who come in person first over those on the phone or those who email.

i’m assuming that petitioning refused further registration will be a different petition because it’s making an appeal for a different rule at the university, but again, your registrar will have a better idea of how the petition process works.

if you aren’t able to come back to school, you might want to consider applying elsewhere. you never know, another university or college may have a different acceptance standards.

have i ever heard of anyone coming back from being refused further registration? no, but that’s not because it’s never happened before, it’s only because that in my short time as aska, i’ve never met anyone who has been refused further registration.

in terms of my own opinion, i think it’s great that you’ve been working during your suspension and being productive. i hope that you’ve found something that you enjoy doing! maybe further employment and pursuing your career is the way to go! it certainly is cheaper than completing a degree! don’t be discouraged, you said that your grades had been steadily improving. do not forget about that progress. your determination alone will get you very far.

aska believes in you.

and frankly, i’m excited to see how your life unfolds. drop us a line sometime and keep us updated on your situation!

cheers,

aska

 

Jun20

choices are hard

I am currently in my third year. I have a score of 51/100 before the final exam. Should I drop it or keep it ? I will have to go for LWD as the deadline for dropping a course has already passed. I already have one LWD from my 2nd year. I want to get into a grad school. All the grad schools look for grades 3rd and 4th year. I am scared another LWD would look bad on my transcript. What should i do ?

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hey there,

i can’t make that call for you, mon amigo. it depends on how much the exam is worth. it depends on how confident you are in your understanding of the material. it depends on how much studying you think you can pack in before the exam. all of these things are subjective, not easily quantifiable, and, unfortunately, not things a stranger can decide for you. as much as it would be comforting to download all your responsibilities and hard decisions onto another person, that’s not how life works. it’s not something aska can do for you – i’m sorry.

even though it’s a lot harder than just sending off an e-mail, the best advisers you could ask for right now would be the folks at your college/divisional registrar’s office. they will be able to look at your marks so far, have an in-depth chat with you about this course, your aspirations for grad school, and your overall transcript. based on all of that, they can help you make the best decision moving forward.

i will say that, generally speaking, an LWD is better than a failed mark that drags down your GPA. two LWD’s aren’t great, but if the rest of your transcript is really strong – if you can pull off a really strong AGPA in your fourth year, for example – you may be able to counterbalance two LWD’s. that being said, there’s no cut-and-dry, surefire formula for applying to grad school, both because there is no one standard application, and no one standard grad school. it’s all about negotiating your particular capabilities with their particular expectations and trying to make them meet.

as far as i know, most (if not every) college registrar’s office needs to meet with you before LWD’ing anyway, so take that opportunity to have an in-depth, honest discussion with your adviser about your needs and concerns. ask them what they think the best option would be, considering the grad schools you’re interested in and your transcript. they won’t be able to tell you ‘yes’ or ‘no’ either, but they will have more information than i do, and thus be better able to advise you.

ultimately, while this is a hard decision to make, i believe that you know the right answer. listen to the advice you get from your registrar’s office, but when the time comes, trust your gut. ask yourself honestly: is it worth it to write this exam? can i pass this course? you know your own abilities better than anyone else. trust them.

all the best,

aska

Jun16

i need my O$AP fund$

Hi there

I am a student at UofT in two summer courses. I deferred my fees in order to receive OSAP, which I did. Currently, I still have a balance on my account. I plan to apply for a late withdrawal for one course. Does that mean the balance on my account will decrease, since it is a pay per course system? I realize that I passed the date where I could drop a course without penalty. What does this do in terms of balance? I am told I need to notify OSAP if I drop a course. I am a student with a disability, and dropping a course means Ill only be enrolled in 0.5 courses this semester. Will this put me on OSAP probation if I do LWD?? I have no idea what to do. What happens in terms of OSAP if I drop from 1.0 courses to 0.5 course (and I am on disability) in a LWD – and I still have a balance due on my Rosi account??

Thank you!!

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hey there.

since you’re now in LWD territory, i’m going to assume this is an ‘F’ course you’re talking about. if that’s the case, then unfortunately we have passed the last date when you could’ve received a refund for the course. that means that when/if you LWD from it, your balance will stay the same.

if you are dropping to 0.5 credits and you are on full-time OSAP, then yes, you would likely be put on OSAP probation, since the full-time course load for students with a registered disability is 1.0 credit.

if this is your first time being put on OSAP probation (and i’m assuming it is, otherwise you would already know how this game is played), there will likely not be a financial penalty at this point. that is, you would still receive the money you’ve been assessed for in order to pay off your outstanding balance – and rent, and food, and a new bottle of shampoo, finally, after trying to wash your hair with soap for a week and a half (or is that just me?).

full house piggy bank

no OSAP money can sometimes result in desperate measures

all you would have to do is write a letter explaining why you dropped from full-time.

that being said, there are many, many things that can affect your interaction with OSAP. please do not assume that your situation is standard. instead, double-check with enrolment services to see exactly how you should proceed after dropping down. they would be able to help you.

cheers,

aska

Jun02

WDR (We Don’t, Really)

Hi ASKA,

I failed a prerequisite course and I am taking it again this summer. I really need to take grad programs in the future how bad could it be if I get an A+ in summer but with F on the transcript? Is there anything else I can do to make up? I have heard of WDR, is it possible for me to WDR? Thank you.

Sincerely,

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hey there,

an WDR is a pretty extreme last resort, and usually only happens when students are in a very unusual situation beyond their control, that negatively impacted their coursework. you can always talk to your registrar’s office about petitioning to WDR (though it is a bit late at this point), though honestly, it may cost you more energy than it’s worth, especially since there is no guarantee that your petition would be approved.

that energy may be better spent working really hard to make sure that the second time around, you do really well. but that’s just my two cents.

cheers,

aska

Jun09

blah school

Hello,
I desperately want to get into grad school/law school but I have a cGPA of 3.42 and two LWD on my transcript. The LWDs were probably a bit stupid, they were in my 2nd and 3rd years and due to getting 60s in two mandatory classes. I retook one and didn’t do much better – got a B. I’m redoing the other LWD class again as I go into my 4th year. I also had medical reasons for the LWDs (because I got them after the deadline had passed) but obviously it does not say that on my transcript. I’ll be graduating this year and I don’t plan on getting anymore LWDs. My question to you is: how badly do these LWDs affect my chances of getting into grad school/law school? Is it too late for me? With these grades and the two LWDs, how likely/unlikely will I get accepted into grad school? (The programs I’ve been looking at has a B- cut off and A- admission average).
Thanks,Desperate Student

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hey there,

asking me whether you’ll get into graduate school without specifying which program or university you’re interested in is like asking whether you can afford a meal without specifying the meal or how much money you have.

but aska is a trooper, and i’m gonna do the best i can.

if the programs you’re looking at have a B- cut-off, and you’ve got a B+, then yeah, your chances are good. the LWDs aren’t great, but if the courses aren’t related to your program of interest and they were in second and third year, then they’re not the end of the world.

not much more i can say about that. but you can always call the admissions committee at the school in question and bug them about it if their website is especially cryptic.

generally speaking, graduate schools tend only to look at your grades in third/fourth years – though you’ll have to check the specific requirements of your program/school to make sure. so if you’re calculating admissions averages, make sure only to include the years they’ll actually look at.

easy peasy, right? you didn’t even need me for that. look, i’ll even give you a tool that will calculate your GPA for you.

that’s graduate school. law school is a whole ‘nother thing.

i don’t really feel like looking up admissions averages for every single law school in the English-speaking world, so i’m just going to focus on Canadian schools in this answer. schools elsewhere might operate differently, so make sure to check that before applying willy-nilly.

i’m gonna be straight with you – a 3.42 falls beneath the minimum CGPA for every law school in the country. putting the LWDs aside, the CGPA in itself is concerning.

the ghost of Law School Future is dark and damning, but there is still hope at the end of this dream.

law schools in Canada typically look at your three best years, and sometimes only your best two. that should bump your admissions GPA up a little. and hey, if your worst year has an LWD in it, all the better.

the LWDs on their own won’t be a death sentence on your application, as long as your GPA is within the realm of interesting to the admissions committee. you can also always write a letter as part of your application explaining why those LWDs are there.

finally: you’re going into fourth year! you still have one full year to absolutely KILL IT before you start applying. you can do a lot in your final year if you put your mind to it. competitive LSATs can also make up for small weaknesses in your GPA, so do your very best to give that your all.

good luck with your applications, dude,

aska

Mar24

MAT133 *shudders*

Hey! So, I’m a first year commerce student at UTM and I’m going to apply to the accounting specialist Subject POSt. The prerequisite courses for this POSt are ECO100, MAT133, MGM101, and MGT120, but I’m failing MAT133. I think I’m going to withdraw from this course, rather than failing, and take it during the summer. Will the LWD on my transcript affect my admission into the POSt, or anything else?

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hey there,

well, you won’t be able to get into the POSt if one of the prereqs has an LWD on it. however, i can’t see anything on the requirements for an accounting specialist that says that they will give preference to people who tried the course more than once.

SO if you LWD the course, take it again and do really well, and your marks in the other three prereqs + CGPA are competitive, then you’d still be competitive for the POSt.

otherwise, LWDs do have some impact on graduate school applications, but this is one LWD in your first year, so honestly, i wouldn’t stress too much about it. if you think you can do significantly better in the course by LWD’ing it now and taking it again, then go on over to your registrar and make an appointment to discuss putting through a request.

good luck with it, my friend,

aska

P.S. make sure you follow updates related to the strike, as they may affect the rules related to LWDs. HOW they might be affected, i can’t say. it’s all part of the THRILL AND EXCITEMENT of labour disputes! whoo!

Mar10

CR/NCR, LWD, or just lie down and cry

Hi, right now I’m considering doing a course as CR/NCR and I’m in my 3rd year . I’m aware that my graduate school program of choice (sciences) looks at both your third year and fourth year marks. If I drop this course, I will have 1 course short of full course load, so I was wondering if having a Cr/NCR course on the tran script would be a bad idea, and if I should just drop it. This course is also a science course. Thanks!

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hey there,

the first thing you need to do is figure out if the graduate schools you’re looking at care if you’ve maintained a full course load in your third and fourth years. most grad schools don’t, though i know medical school is a real stickler about it.

a CR/NCR is generally preferable to an LWD, since 1) you actually have a chance of getting the credit and 2) LWDs will usually impact any grad school application negatively. CR/NCR – not so much (as long as you pass the course, i mean).

if you don’t think you’re gonna pass the course, an LWD might be a better idea. if you’re feeling really torn about it, a chat with your registrar’s office is never a bad idea.

or you can just do what i do: don’t drop any of your courses, don’t sleep, cry, and get behind on your work in every class! whoo! trust me, it’s proven to work.

good luck with whatever you decide,

aska

P.S. i know that some registrar’s offices are being a bit more lax about the CR/NCR deadline because of the strike, but if you do decide to CR/NCR it, i’d still recommend hightailing it to your registrar asap – just in case.

Mar09

UTSC LWD (we sure do love our acronyms)

I heard you’re the (wo)man to talk to.
I just bombed two of my midterms horribly 🙁 and the deadline to drop courses has passed! As I just came off probation, I don’t want to mess up my GPA anymore — so I plan on using LWDS again (I have already used 1.0 of my 3.0 credits). So I tried to go on eService but it doesn’t show any of my courses! What’d I do wrong?! Is it because I still have a balance on my school account?
On a side-note, while looking at some of your previous LWD-related answers, how bad do LWDs look on transcript (like in my case) for future employers? Would I still be hireable?

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hey there,

if the courses you want to LWD are S-section courses, then the request period doesn’t open until march 23rd. so that might be why.

other than that, i can’t do much more than guess at reasons why you can’t see your courses – mostly because i’m not a utsc student and i didn’t know what eService was until i just looked it up to answer your question.

if you’re thinking about LWD’ing a course, and especially if you’re just off probation, you should probably be talking to your registrar’s office before making this decision anyway. while you’re there, you can ask why you can’t see your courses online. it might be because of your financial account, or it might be an entirely different reason – i’m not sure. but you should for sure talk to someone about it.

as to whether you’d still be hireable, that kind of depends on the job you’re gunning for. generally, LWDs are more of an issue for people applying to graduate/professional schools.

if you’re applying for a job straight out of undergrad, your employer probably won’t even know what LWD means, if we’re being real. in either case, an LWD is not damning by any means.

two LWDs are a little bit worse than one, but again, not the end of the world. but definitely do talk to your registrar about the specific implications of an LWD on the jobs you’re thinking of going after.

cheers,

aska

Mar03

LWD’ing an academic offence

Hello,

I was wondering about the Late Withdrawal policy with an academic offense. In summary, I have been alleged of an academic misconduct during an exam, but it was nothing too serious like it was not cheating or hidden notes. It was because of possession of an unauthorized aid which was a cellphone, but it is still an offense. But I did not look at my phone at all during the whole time. Anyways, I might have to go through the very complicated process of meeting the prof, chairman of the department, dean and so on. So, I was wondering when I could be able to drop the course and place a withdrawal?

Specifically, if the dean decides to punish me by like a 30% mark reduction on the exam, and I want to drop the course. Is that allowed? I heard that once you are caught with academic offense in a course, you no longer have the privilege to ask for a LWD. I mean, I know I did something bad by not following the rules and I regret so much by not putting the phone in my bag. But that is really going to impact my course grade and destroy my GPA…

I know that if the Dean/Chairman decides that it is not an offense to them, then I would be allowed to easily drop the course with LWD, but I don’t know how it will go and what will be my fate.

Thank you for your time,

I hope someone could help me out and I feel so depressed from what happened to me this week.

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hey there,

you are not allowed to drop the course while the investigation of academic offence is happening – that includes late withdrawal. you are also not allowed to drop the course if they impose a sanction. unfortunately a 30% mark reduction is an example of a sanction, so no, you wouldn’t be able to LWD in that case.

i know it’s tough to feel like a silly slip-up has cost you so much. no one likes to deal with an academic offence – literally no one. however, this is not the end of the academic road. i know it seems like a huge deal now, but you can recover from this (and so can your GPA).

most importantly, there are people who can help you. i highly recommend you talk to your college registrar so that they can guide you through this process.

best of luck with it,

aska

Nov10

how much LWD is too much LWD

Hey Aska!
I was wondering if you know how LWDs affect chances of transferring, for example, from UTSG to UTM, UTSC to UTSG or etc.
Thanks!

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hey there,

LWDs aren’t particularly harmful all on their own. if you have had a reasonably good time at whatever uoft campus you’re at, and there’s an LWD somewhere on that transcript, that’s not a big deal. the important thing is that you have a competitive CGPA and AGPA, and you meet any program prerequisites.

however, if you have a whole bunch of LWDs and your marks aren’t that great, then what that indicates is that you just generally haven’t been having a great time of it academically. if that’s the case, then yeah, your application might be affected.

however, if that is the case, you can always write a letter explaining any extenuating circumstances relating to your academics to the university. as long as the extenuating circumstances aren’t, like, you preferred to play video games instead of do your assignments. the university doesn’t like that so much.

cheers,

aska

Dec05

LWDs are annoying as butt, aren’t they?

Hi,
I am a first year student at UofT and I am troubled by the the LWD on my transcript. I did terrible on my midterm for chemistry(failed) and I decided to use drop the course with a LWD shown on my transcript. I am planning on taking the chem course again in the second semester. What I am worried about is if the LWD will affect my chances of applying to pharmacy school because it is one of their prerequisites? I know this question has been mentioned a lot but I am on edge of breaking down. I know I am only in first year but having one LWD on my transcript can break my chance of entering a professional school, especially pharmacy. I really do feel like I have ruined myself! Please tell me what I should do!

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hey there,

ok, so i’m just gonna get the bad news right out of the way first, like ripping off a bandaid: the LWD may have some impact on your admission to pharmacy. this website is the only one i’ve found that makes any mention of them, and this is what it has to say: “Any failed/repeated subjects, grades below class averages, history of withdrawal, ‘Credit’ designation, etc., may influence the final decision on the application.”

now i know that seems bad on first glance, but let’s do some close-reading, shall we? So obviously any credit/no-credits, failed classes or bad marks will influence their decision, as they say, but one LWD doesn’t seem to be that significant. A “history of withdrawal” means that you’ve gotten multiple LWD’s, not just one. On top of that, they say “may influence the final decision,” “may” being the operative word.

all in all, it seems like a pretty lukewarm statement to me: “if you’ve racked up a whole bunch of LWD’s, then we might have to start taking that into consideration” is not the same as “one late withdrawal and you’re no longer eligible.” so i wouldn’t worry. also, an LWD is oodles better than a failing mark, so you made the right choice.

that said, the LWD won’t exactly work in your favour, so don’t just think you’re in the clear and keep going as you have before. now is the time to work twice as hard as you have been, get the best marks you can in the rest of your classes (and chem when you repeat it), and make sure not to get any more LWDs.

so yeah, it’s not great, but you can totally recover from this. i have faith in you.

good luck,

aska

Apr25

the strange case of the lost LWD

hi

i wanted to drop my course but since i forgot to do it before the deadline, i had to go with LWD.

my final grades for some of the courses are already up on ROSI . But the marks for the course for which i did LWD is also up without mentioning anywhere on the transcript that i went with late withdrawal. does this mean that my LWD was not accepted ?

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Yo!

Whether or not your late withdrawal was accepted is something you SHOULD know? Did you not have to go to a meeting or fill out any paperwork for it?

But yeah, if you were allowed one, there should be a LWD on your transcript in place of a grade.

Bottom line is that you?re going to have to head over to your college registrar. If you went through with the proper procedure to get a late withdrawal, there will be note of it on your student record, so if it was approved, they should be able to fix things for you!

xoxo,

aska

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