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Is Utm commerce inferior to Rotman commerce? What are the significant differences?



i’m going to present you with all the relevant information so that you can make your own informed opinion about the two programs. since i’m not in commerce, i don’t actually have my own opinion, and even if i did think one was better, i can’t actually tell you because i’d have some very angry people dressed in suits knocking on my door.

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that being said, i’m going to lowkey paraphrase an aska post from 2 years ago because they gave great info. don’t worry, this is not me throwing subtle shade at you for not looking through old posts. it took some digging to find!

the main difference between UTM commerce and Rotman commerce are in the requirements needed. Rotman’s requirements can be found here and UTM requirements can be found here. if you are thinking of applying after first year, you’ll see a difference in the minimum grade requirements. you can take a look at both of them and see which one seems better suited for you.

do keep in mind that if you are accepted to Rotman, you will not be able to take any RSM classes at UTM or at UTSC.

the main takeaway of this post is: Rotman has a reputation that can’t be ignored; it is no doubt one of the best undergraduate business programs in canada. that being said, UTM is definitely part of this reputation, considering the fact that it is a branch of one of the best universities in canada. at any rate, whichever one you choose, you’ll get an excellent education, just because it’s still at U of T.

i would highly recommend that you try to reach out to both schools for more information. a cool thing about Rotman is that they have student ambassadors who would be happy to connect with you and tell you more! for UTM, i would recommend that you direct your general inquiries to the department of management, which you can find here. you might also find it worthwhile to check out both campuses to see which one you like more! U of T campus tours are a great place to start.

i wish you all the best in your commercial endeavours!




you’ve got time

I want to get into commerce/management which requires the CGPA of minimum 4 credits

Im about to go into second year right now taking summer courses, since i dropped a lot of courses over the terms i will only get 3.5 credits after this summer session completes

I have all the prerequisites for management and still need MGT120 for commerce(if i choose commerce)

Im not sure what i should do now is it possible for me to take courses next term get into commerce/management program in the third year? or please suggest better option? i really dont want to stay in university for 5 years and i dont mind doing course overload!!!!



if you have all the prerequisites for management, you can apply for the program after you take one more half credit course (in order to reach the 4.0 credit requirement). you’ll have to apply during the subject POst period.

if all you have to do is take MGT120 for the commerce program, you’ll have your 4.0 credits to apply for the program, provided that you meet all of the other requirements (e.g. minimum GPA, minimum grades in specific courses).

since you just finished your first year, you still have your whole second year to reach your 4.o credits, so you should be able to apply to your program of choice during the subject POst request period in march 2017 in time for third year.

in terms of you wanting to graduate in 4 years, remember that you will need 20 credits in total. if we wanted to divide these 20 credits by 4 years, we could say that you want to finish 5 credits for each year, which is a full course load.

since you have 3.5 credits after first year, you can chose to make up the 1.5 credits in the rest of your undergrad through summer school or by taking more than 6 courses a semester. you have options. if you require further guidance on how to make up your 1.5 credits, don’t hesitate to consult your registrar! they can help you come up with a practical plan without overwhelming yourself.

now all you have to decide is whether you want to go into the management program or the commerce program!

good luck with your decision and i hope you have a great second year!

*in case you’re wondering what the title of this post is referring to




come, comma, commerce

I am terribly sorry to bother, but i need help. I am very new to the whole system in Canada, so i have problem. I applied to UTM (mississauaga) in Commerce, however due to some personal issues, i was inAble to continue with calculus. I dropped it. After that i got two alternating offers, i was wondering if there is anyway to enter Commerce again. I am willing to do whatever it takes but i CCan’t take the course during the Summer, (personal) i am willing to do whatever it takes. Even if it means taking an extra year in Universitu with Calculus as an elective. I was wondering if i did accept my alternate offer, will i still be able to switch back to Commerce in Second year or first year? What if i took Calculus as an elective( if i can) will i be able to go back to Commerce? Please i will do anything. I promise to do my best, but please tell me what to do. How can i go back to my Program? If i took it as an elective or anything. please. Should it be a prerequisite in highschool or am i allowed to take all the prerequisites for Commerce as alternatives in the first year and apply in the second year to Commerce? Please help me please. Thank you.


hey there,

it’s totally possible to get into commerce after first year. there are just a few things you’ll have to do.

thing #1: you’ll need to get that calculus requirement under your belt. MAT133Y5 is required for admission to commerce after first year. however, MAT133Y5 recommends that you’ve already completed high school calculus (with at least a 70%) before taking the course. as someone who lived through the hell of first year calculus, trust me that it’s probably a smart idea to stick to that recommendation.

you can take high school calculus in summer school or night school before then enrolling in MAT133Y5 in the summer, after your first year, or even your second year. alternatively, you can take UTM’s Prep. for University Calculus course, MAT100H5.

thing #2: you’ll also want to take everything else required for commerce: MGM101H5, MGT120H5, and ECO100Y5. none of those courses have prerequisites, so you can feel free to take them in your first year. just keep in mind that you’ll need a 63% (at least) in each to be eligible for commerce.

thing #3: because of calculus, you may have to wait until after first year or even second year to be eligible to apply to commerce. don’t let that frustrate you. it takes everyone a different amount of time to finish their degrees, and it’s rarely a straight path from high school to graduation, for anyone.

if commerce is really what you want to do, then be patient and work hard, and you can get there eventually. however, take advantage of your alternate offer to explore what UTM has to offer. you may find that another program is a better fit for you – and that’s ok too.

best of luck, chum,



rotman’s a riot

Hi aska! I have a series of questions and I hope you can help me with them! As background info, I’m a UTM first-year going into second year, and I am unsure if I want to stay at UTM or if I want to transfer to UTSG. I’m planning on specializing in accounting and majoring in economics. Here it goes:

1) Is there a significant difference between UTM Commerce and Rotman Commerce? I know we both get a BCom degree from U of T, but from reading internet posts, it seems like they’re two different worlds.

2) I’m unsure whether UTM was the right choice for me, and seem to be inclined to want to transfer to UTSG. Don’t get me wrong, I love UTM, but there’s something that’s telling me that UTSG is where I belong. Is it easy to transfer internally??

3) I really want to get into Commerce, but if I transfer into UTSG, I know that Rotman Commerce is very difficult to get into after first year. Since they don’t publish an official cutoff for ArtSci transfers, do you know what the unofficial cutoff could be? Like the average of the people that were able to transfer? (BTW, I completed most of the required 1st-year courses, except for MGT120 which I’m just about to complete.)

4) I went to the Internal Transfers application website, and noticed that there are no transfers available for UTSG. Is there a specific timeframe as to when we’re allowed to complete a transfer application?

5) If I apply for a transfer to ArtSci, and they accept me, do I instantly get kicked out of UTM? What if I change my mind and want to stay at UTM?

6) Is there a GPA cutoff for transferring to ArtSci? If I do plan on transferring, I want to apply to University College. Does it have a minimum GPA or requirements?

I’m sorry for making this long, and trust me, I also want to go over this with my Registrar. However, I think it would be awkward talking to them about transferring out. Thank you in advance! Take care aska!


hey there,

wow. lot of ground to cover here. why don’t we just get right to it?

1. they’re different in some ways, but probably not as much as people at either school say. you can take a look at the program requirements for rotman’s programs and UTM’s and make a judgement call yourself. you can also read more about rotman’s programs here.

obviously, rotman’s behemoth reputation is the elephant in the room that i can’t address, because i just don’t know how much of that is accurate, and how much is just good marketing. i do know that the programs are different enough that students in rotman can’t take the equivalent UTM or UTSC courses for their degree.

people are always gonna try to create an us-versus-them binary, so to some extent, you just have to ignore that stuff. however, you do need to decide which one is right for you, and the best way to do that is actually visit rotman yourself. they can even connect you with a current student who can give you the inside scoop about their experience!

2. just to be clear, rotman commerce does not accept internal transfers. you would have to transfer to the Faculty of Arts & Science into some other program and then apply to rotman after second year. here are the stats for registered transfer applicants versus transfer applicants at uoft – but keep in mind this data is from 2008 and has probably changed. the world’s changed a lot since then; crazy frog isn’t even popular anymore.

3. yes, it is very diffcult (from rotman: “Entry into Rotman Commerce through this route is very competitive. Students who apply are advised to simultaneously ensure that they have appropriate prerequisites for other Arts and Science programs of interest.“) as always, i have no idea about cutoffs to programs. rotman doesn’t tell me these things. (rude, tbh. but what’re you gonna do?)

4. the deadline to transfer internally to the faculty of arts & science was january 31st.

5. as far as i know, you would just have to accept the offer of admission from UTSG. but double-check with your registrar.

6. at least a B average.

i’m all for talking to your registrar about your options (as always), but at this point, you’re looking at: transferring to UTSG, possibly having to spend an extra year in the Faculty of Arts & Science (to take RSM100Y, at least), applying to rotman and then hoping to get in despite the extremely competitive admissions process. it seems to me like it would be a lot easier to stay in UTM commerce, but as always, it is your decision. whatever feels right, is right.




who ever knows what university documents are talking about

Hello, I am a grade 12 student currently in high school and I plan on applying to UTM commerce, but this year my mother was terminally ill and diagnosed with breast cancer which has a impact on my school most importantly Grade 12 Advanced Function and I was wondering if UTM will accept me repeating the course again in night school to get a better mark. Please let me know! I plan on applying during the winter holidays starting December 19th!


hey there,

my condolences about your mother. as far as night school goes, UTM will be able to see both of your marks. they definitely won’t refuse to accept the repeated mark, but they “reserve the right to give preference to students whose grades represent their first attempt.” which i know sounds just like…what talk straight, dammit – will you accept me or not?

that’s where i come in (w00). i have some experience in decoding red-tape talk, and if you translate that sentence from bureaucratic university jargon, it basically means that it might affect the admission decision a little bit, but it definitely won’t decide it. additionally, a repeated course is much better than just leaving a really poor mark on your transcript. so i’d go right ahead and repeat it!

ALSO, IMPORTANTLY, since you have a legitimate reason for this having occurred, you have the opportunity (which i 100% recommend you go for) to write the university a letter explaining why your mark(s) is/are that way. it’ll make them a lot more disposed to give you special consideration. you can do that by getting in touch with enrolment services: they’ll tell you where and how to send this kind of letter.




Dropping an FLC

Dear All:) Hey,
I am a first-year student in Rotman Commerce and right now involved in FLC group for RSM (RSM099Y1). For some reason I have to drop this non-academic course. I went to ROSI at first and it said that I could not change anything on ROSI. So may I ask how to drop that course then? Am I still allowed to drop in this half-way period?


hey there,

I really like how you said “dear all,” like there’s a whole office behind askastudent, all of us just working together to answer as many questions as possible…yeah, no, it’s just me. Sittin’ here. All alone. Feel free to drop me a line any time. I don’t really get a lot of chances to talk to people.

Anyway, I’m sad to hear you’re thinking about dropping your FLC group! FLCs are really cool because they’re like extra-curriculars in that they’re non-credit courses, but they’re official enough that they appear on your transcript as an extra activity – and they provide a social and networking atmosphere that can be really helpful for your future career, especially in commerce.

However if you do have a scheduling conflict or REALLY don’t like your FLC, all you have to do is e-mail and let them know you want to drop it, then they should take it from there. Because it’s a non-credit course, dropping it halfway through the semester won’t jeopardize your GPA, so you can rest easy about that.

stay swaggie,



bop to the top at UTM commerce

I am a second year in the accounting and financial management program at the university of Waterloo. Due to a loss in my immediate family, my academic performance was poor during my first year. For the same reason for my second term in first year my marks were graded on a credit/ non-credit basis. This means all my marks for this term were marked as pass with no numerical grades. I am struggling in my second year in AFM as well and wanted to know my chances of getting into UTM commerce.
My university transcript is very poor (GPA 76.5% not including credit/non-credit grades) but in high school I got accepted into UTM commerce with a 89.5% average.
Thank you for your time.


hey there,

UTM commerce doesn’t publish the cut-off range for GPA every year, but your 76.5% is around what would be acceptable. Also, from the looks of UofT’s course equivalencies, it seems like you would have completed most of the 4.0 prerequisite courses for commerce already while in AFM.

This is the stick, though. Even if you meet all the pre-requisites, in order to be in UTM commerce, you have to have completed 4.0 credits at UTM (either in addition to your transfer credit, or completing what you don’t get as transfer credit). Either way, you need to spend a year here before you can start commerce. They just want to see that you’re UTM material, you get me? You gotta bleed that blue and white. If you decide to do that, you could take some economics courses that are part of the commerce program so that you won’t have to take them once you get to commerce, but there’s no way to get around that extra year.

Here’s how I look at it: if you transfer, you’ll have to do one general year at UTM, then three years of commerce, plus your one or two years in AFM. That’s six years just to get a bachelor’s degree that’s pretty similar to the one you’re in now anyway. The way I see it, staying in your program or transferring into something else at Waterloo might be easier.

If you’re cool with spending a few extra years in undergrad, then go for it. Apply to UTM, and then you can move on to commerce if you want to. But remember to do whatever feels right to you.

Hope it all works out, freund.



business studies coming before commerce

I just recently have gotten an alternate offer into your First year Business Studies program at UTM (denied UTM commerce). I was just wondering what the difference is as I dont know much about it and I checked, it is not there. As well as i got a acceptance at york administrative studies, and im definately stuck between both programs.

A little bit clearing up would be a great help, thanks again!


Hey hey

I pretty much looked at your message, laughed, and asked myself, “What the heck is Business Studies?” because I’d never heard of it.

Now research extraordinaire that I am, I googled that and found UTM’s little page on alternative offers — which I’m sure is totally neglected by incoming students.

Basically, let’s say Business Studies is like a pre-program of sorts to Commerce. You’ll take the same first year courses as the Commerce kids and then you’ll essentially be applying for the program again from within UTM come April. They say the cut off average is 2.5, but be warned that that the ACTUAL minimum is most likely going to be a looooot higher since there are going to be a bunch of other people doing the same thing.

So all in all, there’s no reaaaaal difference. You’re taking the same courses and working toward the same goal, you’re just… in Business Studies > Commerce, so you’ll have to apply to the program again at the end of first year based on your grades in those courses.




can’t take this commerce

Hi aska,

I’m a first year in commerce and I feel like I’m really screwing up my first year. I pretty much miserably failed all of my midterms except for one. I’m terrified that I’m going to be kicked out of my program. Math has never been my forte and no matter how hard I study I just don’t understand it. On the other hand, I’ve always been very good at English and Literature. I’ve become very confused and discouraged, I don’t feel as if I belong in commerce. I want a career in business but with calculus being a requirement for second year, I’m not sure I’ll make it.

I’m not really sure what to do or what department I belong to, how does someone really know the program they’re in is right for them?

Thanks for the help,
Confused First Year


Hello Confused First Year,

I take it you’re in Rotman then? I hate to break it to you, but getting into business without first dealing with Calculus doesn’t seem possible. Sorry!

Anyhow, to make it to second year for Rotman, you need to get at least 67% in ECO100Y and RSM100Y, and at least 50% in your MAT course. You get twelve months to do that, so if you find your grades from this year aren’t high enough, you can even try boosting them in the summer.

Now don’t feel discouraged! Doing poorly on your first few midterms is a pretty common occurrence. I mean, I dealt with two or so inquiries along the same lines of I failed my midterm, should I just drop out and ask McDonald’s to hire me? just in the past week. It’s normal and it’s often a case of needing to focus more and study harder. And, if need be, a few visits to the Academic Success Centre website wouldn’t hurt.

Determining what department someone belongs to is entirely up to them. Personally, I think it’s a matter of a) what the person likes, and b) what the person excels at. Your program is entirely up to you to decide. Have you taken an ENG course at UofT? Try one! You may very well take it here and come to realize that math is actually your stronger point. For now, since you seem so unsure about things, experiment.

Good luck!



questions on commerce and many, many other things


Currently i am a student in Grade 12 and I am looking into the Commerce program offered at UTM.
I was wondering about having to re-apply in the 2nd year to be specialist in a program or something? im not too sure. is that GPA needed to make it to second year very difficult to maintain and is the program itself very competitive to stay in? Or is it after 2nd year, once you keep your marks up your in the program, your still in? People are also saying that UTM is not as recognized as Rotman Commerce, is this true?

Also what is this specialist degree vs. a major? The pros and cons? Does having a specalist set me aside from other graduates at different university’s or on the same level? is the specialist degree unique to UTM, the 3 UofT campuses, or offered in different universities as well? People were also saying that if you plan to do masters/graduate degree, it is hard to keep your marks up at UTM to get admitted vs another university?

Another university i am looking at is Wilfred Laurier, and the honours economics&accounting (BA) program. What are your thought on the UTM commerce vs. laurier BA. From an academic standpoint which would be a better choice if i get accepted into the two and why? If i go to UTM i will be hoping to specialize in the accounting program (will this need alot of hard math in UTM?).

Whoa, sorry about all the questions, but im just really curious and worried :3

Thanks in advance,
– Amanda 🙂


Hey Amanda,

That’s a lot of questions, wow! I guess you didn’t do any research on your own beforehand? That’s okay. No one ever does.

Now what happens at all three campuses of UofT is that at the end of first year, you apply for Programs of Study, those being specialists, majors, or minors in a particular field. So consult the requirement for the program you’d like to be part of. I assume you?re aiming for the Commerce and Finance specialist, meaning you just need to heed the necessary courses (ECO100, MGT120, MAT133 or MAT 135), the grades you need to get in them, and then the minimum CGPA.

As for UTM’s Commerce program versus Rotman? well, Rotman is one of the world’s most distinguished Canadian business schools, so yeah, it’s definitely a lot more recognized?

And the difference between a specialist and a major is the number of credits you take in a particular program. Specialists usually call for 10.0 or so credits, whereas majors require around 8.0 credits. Like the name implies, a specialist will give you a deeper understanding on the subject. This applies at all of the campuses, but as for other universities? Well, for Laurier and other universities, consult them, naturally.

I mean, I go to UofT.

proudly torontonian,



double the degree

Hello sir

I was wondering if it is possible at U of T to obtain a B.Com specialist and a BSc. specialist degree simultaneously.

Miss B


Hello madam,

Okay so I’ll have you know I had to talk to a lot of people to get you an answer to this question. Basically, you can only complete one degree at a time. If you’re really eager to get both a B.Com. and a B.Sc. You’ll have to finish the B.Comm. first and then apply for completing a second degree, which in total will be about a seven year process.

But if you’re truly set on completely both specialists, you certainly can. However, you’ll only be graduating with one degree, which, in this scenario, will probably be the B.Com. since it sort of trumps Science. Likewise, you’ll be paying the tuition fees for the Commerce program instead which can make things a little bit more expensive. And then your years — which will probably be extended to around six — will be terrible and tiresome. Another problem would be that Commerce students wouldn’t get priority to Science courses, so you would probably be getting by through a whole lot of waitlists.

But if you’re really set on science, you can definitely take a minor!




commerce zen

Hey there!

Just stumbled on your blog and saw that you’re helping alot of people out. Thought you could do the same for me! Im currently in 1st year going to 2nd year (freaking out about how unlikely that seems now). I was invited for the Rotman Commerce program, but had 3 prerequisite courses to complete. I completed 2 of them, and currently doing summer school to make up for the 3rd (Econ). Im also doing summer school because i finished the semester with 3 credits and I know i need 4 credits to enroll in Subject POSts. I took Spanish and Econ in the summer, and now that its exam time, i think i was a little too laid-back and might not pass either course. I am still studying my ass off for the finals to atleast try and pass. But im kind of freaking out right now. I know i wont be accepted into Rotman, but im also worried about my status as a 2nd year student!

What happens now? Will i have to repeat the courses? Will i be put on Academic probation? What can I do?

I also havent enrolled in any classes yet for Fall/ Winter 2012-13 because of summer school and my confusion. And i know deadline is coming up, so im confused about which courses to take.

Please get back to me asap. Your help is much appreciated!



Hey hey,

I think we are going to have to do a little university student yoga before we get into the nitty gritty. Downward dog, chug a beer, child’s pose, shot, shot, shot, sleeping pose.

Ok, so I’m going to assume you were offered the Guaranteed Admissions. Here are the requirements to get into the subject POSt … just so we’re on the same page, you know, boo:

Guaranteed Admission – How It WorksAll students admitted into the First Year Commerce are guaranteed a place in Rotman Commerce providing the following requirements are met:

  • Obtain a mark of 67% in Management (RSM100Y) and Economics (ECO100Y)* within one calendar year**
  • Obtain a mark of 50% in Calculus (MAT133Y or equivalent), within one calendar year**
  • Complete a minimum of 4.0 credits

* Students receiving a transfer credit for Economics must ensure the credit is the equivalent of ECO100Y. A generic Economics credit (ECO1**Y) does not satisfy Program requirements.

** Students may repeat any of the required courses once, in order to attain the requisite mark. Note that the repeated course(s) must be completed within the calendar year (as per the terms of the guarantee), as such, the repeated course(s) must be taken during the summer session of first-year (i.e. a student may not extend the terms of her/his guarantee in order to attain the minimum marks). Failure to meet any of the above, or failure to finish all the required courses by the end of the summer after first year (assuming full-time studies) will result in losing guaranteed admission.

From what I understand you did not fail the Econ so the “**” doesn’t really cover your situation. The repeated “within 1 academic year” frightens me slightly for you but I would talk to an academic advisor and see what they suggest.

If you don’t need the courses, you won’t be required to repeat those courses. But if you want to apply to Commerce again at a later point, you will have to take the Econ course again.

Once you’ve attempted (so this includes any courses that you might have fail) 4.0 FCE then your academic standing is assessed. This being said, you are eligible to be put on academic probation based on the number of credits you have attempted. Saying this though, it depends on the marks you have gotten this academic year. If your other two marks kicked ass, they could be your saving grace and you might not be put on probation.

Here is all the info: Academic Standing

There are four kinds of academic standing which apply to students who have attempted at least four courses in the Faculty: In Good Standing; On Probation; On Suspension; Refused Further Registration

Academic standing is assessed twice a year:

  1. At the end of the Fall/Winter Session; the GPAs used for this status assessment are the annual and the cumulative GPAs.
  2. At the end of the Summer Session; the GPAs used for this status assessment are the sessional and the cumulative GPAs.

Note: Students who have not achieved final standing* in 4.0 credits will have a status of “Not Assessed”.

In Good Standing:

Students are described as In Good Standing if they are neither On Probation, Suspended nor Refused Further Registration; these terms are explained below. For students with particularly noteworthy academic results, there are three specific forms of recognition, which are described in the ‘Student Services & Resources’ section.

Probation; Suspension; Refused Further Registration

The following regulations apply to students who have attempted at least four courses* in the Faculty.

  1. A student shall be on academic probation who
    a) has a cumulative GPA of less than 1.50 or
    b) returns from suspension.
  2. A student who, at the end of the Winter or Summer Session during which he or she is on probation
    a) has a cumulative GPA of 1.50 or more shall be in good standing
    b) has a cumulative GPA of less than 1.50 but an annual GPA of 1.70 or more (Winter Session)/sessional GPA of 1.70 or more (Summer Session) shall continue on probation.
    c) has a cumulative GPA of less than 1.50 and an annual GPA of less than 1.70 (Winter Session)/sessional GPA of less than 1.70 (Summer Session) shall be suspended for one calendar year unless he or she has been so suspended previously, in which case he or she shall be suspended for three years.
  3. A student who, having been suspended for three years, is again liable for suspension shall be refused further registration in the Faculty.

* “Achieved final standing” applies to courses in which a student remains formally enrolled on the last date for cancellation, unless the academic penalty normally attached to a later cancellation is removed by petition. This includes CR/NCR, but does not include courses with LWD or WDR.

I wouldn’t panic just yet. A lot of first year students go through similar trying times and come out victorious. I would go in and see an academic advisor stat! Once you know whats up you will be able to choose courses, which you need to get rolling or you will (and may already) be waitlisted for some courses you need or are desperate to take.

forever your chocolate and zen,



ahhh – perfect commerce application exclamation

Hey there, I am Natasha, hopefully a future Rotman student. I was doing some research on Rotman when I stumbled upon your wonderful blog :DI hope you can answer this one very important question of mine : Do you think I have a good chance of making it into Rotman? My top 6 are :English : 83 (mediocre)Accounting: 90Management: 91Writers Craft : 84 (midterm)Economics : 91 (midterm)Calculus: 72 (AHHH!!!!) (midterm) This brings in an average of about 85 which I know is hardly impressive.Im pretty confident about my personal statement in which I wrote about my involvement in my school’s leadership/volunteer group. I was wondering if, with my horrid calculus mark along with my barely-making-the-cutoff overall average, I have a good chance of getting in I know my calc mark is really bringing my profile down. I had an 80 in advanced functions but I don’t know if they will bother looking at that. Please do let me know what you think. Have you ever heard of anyone getting into rotman with such a calc mark? Thanks very much and I am hoping to here from you soon Have a great day,Natasha 🙂


Well hello Natasha,

Unfortunately my crystal ball that predicts the future was replaced with a magic 8 ball. The answer is coming up ‘maybe’ … it’s one of those things that no matter how many times I shake it the same answer comes up (despite the probablitiy involved).

The reason for maybe is that commerce says “mid to high 80’s”. They say this on average, but it comes down to the competition. Some years the grades on average are much higher, making it harder to get in and sometimes it’s the reverse. Unfortunately you are going to just have to get the best marks you can and wait eagerly by the mail for your admissions package.

cheese and crackers … and wine,


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