Hi, I’m going into my first year in september, I want to get into the Physics specialist program. I’ve been debating over whether to take MAT157 or MAT137, since the former looks more interesting but I’m not sure I’ll have the time to study and get a decent grade with the rest of my workload(which is MAT223, CSC108, CSC148, PHY151/152, and three easier elective courses I’m taking for breadth). Thanks!
hey there,
okayy physics specialist program, i see we have a math-intelligent one here! (my eyes unfocus in response to too many numbers)
yes, you’re right, it does look like you have to choose between MAT157 and MAT137 for your physics first year completion requirements. i do agree that according to the descriptions, MAT157 does look more interesting. the artsci calendar recommends MAT137, and this is probably because MAT157 is supposed to be the hardest of the first year math courses. though 137 and 157 are both difficult, 157 requires a lot more effort in both its homework and tests. meanwhile, you’ll likely do better in a course you’re more interested in, so i guess the decision would be based on how much you want to take it. just be aware of the level of difficulty you might be getting yourself into in 157 — as a student blog says.
some MAT157 TAs on reddit have given their answers (8 years ago) on the differences between the two courses. i assume this would still be relevant as the courses shouldn’t have changed much since then. they say MAT157 is more valuable for you if you’re headed in the mathematics direction, which it seems you are. MAT137 is a relatively high-level calculus course, while 157 is an introductory analysis course. both cover some of the same content, but 157 asks you to replicate and do your own proofs.
there’s also this weird-looking u of t page that describes the differences between MAT157 and MAT137. (but i’m not sure how recent the information is). it says that 157 goes more in depth and consists of more concepts/theorems than 137. the main difference is of skill rather than of content knowledge. and again — in MAT137 you are introduced to proofs, and asked to do simple proofs; while in MAT157 you are responsible for understanding and creating more complex and abstract proofs.
so both sites basically say the same thing, which probably means they’re both true.
i hope that helps you decide which one is more worth taking for you. i think it really just depends on your level of interest, skill-level, and capability to tackle the difficulty of 157. it’s great that you’re taking a few easier elective courses, that will definitely help! plus, taking 4 courses per semester instead of 5 makes difficult courses much more doable and will help you succeed better! while planning your workload, just keep in mind that you’ll have to take MAT137/157 at the same time as your PHY151/152 as they are co-requisites.
over and out,
aska